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    • Good morning,    I just wanted to update you on the situation.    I have visits piling up with my current employment and they need doing before I finish at the end of this month.  I am moving to Wiltshire in 3 weeks for a new job helping care homes with their Dementia patients. I tried to work it out and at a guess I will be doing about 20-25,000 miles a year. So need a vehicle that can cope with that mileage, my old car would have done it easy but 🤷‍♂️ I have taken out a loan and got a friend to find me a reliable car that can cope with the miles and hasn't been written off in the past.   I phoned Adrian flux to see if I could use the last months insurance on a new car I have bought, the girl I spoke to phoned Markerstudy and asked them but they said no, my new car doesn't have any modifications.    I had an email from someone who saw one of my appeals for information, they live near the site of the accident and know a nearby farmer who has a security camera at his entrance that catches the traffic and specifically registration plates as he has been robbed before. They said they would reach out for me and see if he still has the data. Unfortunately it wont catch the scene of the crash.   The Police phoned me and said they were closing the report I made, even if they found footage of the vehicle at the time I said the actual incident would be my word vs theirs.  My first response was I am sure google maps would show that they turned around at that location which would verify my version of events, but upon reflection I do understand, I have seen people doing make up with both hands while driving, eating from a bowl steering with their knees and veering all over the place. I am sure some of these people go off the road and claim that someone forced them off.    Markerstudy phoned me yesterday to say that my car is now at Copart, the £80 tank of Vpower diesel was emptied on entry to the site for safety reasons, which I get but it sucks.  It is awaiting being assessed and shouldn't be too long, which is a relief.  I am really glad things do not seem to be going the way of the other stories and they seem to moving quickly.   However I was informed that my car was a structural write off before I bought it - this destroyed me, I was almost sick.  and this is going to affect any offer of money - after hearing the first statement this didn't affect me.   They need to wait for the assessor to check it over but it is highly likely to be written off and the maximum they can offer is £2300.  I was desperate for a car as I was working for an agency at the time, no work no pay, and did not do a vehicle check because I didn't know about them.  The seller did not tell me that it had been structurally written off, he told me that it had the front wing damaged while parked and was repaired at an approved repairer.  Markerstudy records state that it was sold at auction, no record of repair at an approved repairer.  I bought it bank transfer with hand written receipt.    It gets worse.    It turns out my airbags should of gone off. For some reason they are not working. I think we can figure out why.  If I had hit that car head on and had no airbags.    Some good news.    I can arrange a time with Copart to go and take my stereo equipment and any personal items that are left in the car only. I cant live without music and need quality sound, my speakers and amps are Hertz and JLaudio, (no I am not a boy racer with booming subs, I am an audiophile on a budget) I was really worried I wouldn't get them back so this is a huge relief for me. It is stuff I have built up over years of saving and collecting. Everything to do with the vehicle and mods I have declared need to stay to be assessed.   The accident has gone as a fault on my record, I have to remove 2 years NCB which means I still have some to declare which is good.  So it appears at this point that it may be resolved quickly, not in the way I was hoping, but not as bad as I presumed it was going to be based upon that tow truck drivers attitude and behaviour and the horror stories I read.   I am not going to buy the car back and try to make money with all the parts on it, I don't have the time or energy.   I may need an xray on my back and neck.  The whole situation has left me feeling physically sick, drained and I need it done.   The lesson learnt from this  -  My conscience is 100% clear, my attitude to safety and strong sense of personal responsibility - A rated tyres even if on credit card, brake fluid flush every year, regular checks of pads and discs, bushes etc, made avoiding what I believed to be a certain broadside collision possible.   Get a dashcam (searching now for the best I can afford at the moment)  -  Research your insurance company before you buy  -  Pay for total car check before you go and see a car and take someone with you if you are not confident in your ability to assess a vehicle.      Thank you to everyone here who volunteers their time, energy and information, it is greatly appreciated.  You helped my sister with some advice a while ago but we weren't able to follow through, she is struggling with long term health conditions and I ended up in hospital for a while with myocarditis, when I got out and remembered it was too late.  I am going to make a donation now, it is not a lot, I wish I could give more, I will try to come back when things are on a more even keel.    Take care
    • It seems the solicitor has got your case listed for this “appeal” but not for the Stat Dec(SD). You need to ensure you can perform your SD on the day. If you are able to make your SD in court, the situation you are in now is more straightforward than if you made your SD via a solicitor. You have been convicted of two offences (and two were dropped) via proceedings of which you were not aware. The way to remedy that is to perform an SD. No appeal is necessary (nor is it available via the magistrates’ court). If you are able to make your SD this is how I see it panning out: You will make your SD to the court. The court must allow you to make it as it will have been made within 21 days of you discovering your convictions. You will then be asked to enter pleas to the four charges again. At this point you should plead not guilty to all four but make the court aware that you will plead guilty to the speeding charges on the condition that the FtP charges are dropped. The prosecutor will be asked whether or not this is agreed. In my opinion the overwhelming likelihood is that it will be. If it is you will be sentenced for the two speeding offences under the normal guidelines. In the unlikely event it is not accepted,  the speeding charges will be withdrawn (they have no evidence you were driving). You have no viable defence to the FtP charges and so should plead guilty. This will mean 12 points and a “totting up” ban (as you have already suffered). You can present an “Exceptional Hardship” argument to try to avoid this (explained below).   Because of this, I don’t see any need to make an argument to ask to have any ban suspended (pending an appeal to the Crown Court) unless and until you are banned again. The only reason I can think the solicitor suggested this is to secure a (Magistrates')  court date. I was surprised when you said you had an appointment so quickly; a date for an SD usually takes longer than that. However, if you can use it to your advantage, all well and good. I can’t comment on the argument that the two speeding offences were committed “on the same occasion” as I don’t have the details. That phrase is not defined anywhere and is a matter for the court to decide. It’s an interesting thought (and only that) that such an argument could equally be made for the two FtP offences. If the requests for driver’s details arrived at your old address at the same time, with the same deadline for reply, it could be argued that you failed to respond to them both “on the same occasion” (i.e when the 28 days to respond expired) and so should only receive penalty points for one. Hopefully you won’t need to go there. I think you have information about avoiding a “totting up” ban. But here’s the magistrates’ latest guidance on "Exceptional Hardship" (EH) which they refer to: When considering whether there are grounds to reduce or avoid a totting up disqualification the court should have regard to the following: It is for the offender to prove to the civil standard of proof that such grounds exist. Other than very exceptionally, this will require evidence from the offender, and where such evidence is given, it must be sworn. Where it is asserted that hardship would be caused, the court must be satisfied that it is not merely inconvenience, or hardship, but exceptional hardship for which the court must have evidence; Almost every disqualification entails hardship for the person disqualified and their immediate family. This is part of the deterrent objective of the provisions combined with the preventative effect of the order not to drive. If a motorist continues to offend after becoming aware of the risk to their licence of further penalty points, the court can take this circumstance into account. Courts should be cautious before accepting assertions of exceptional hardship without evidence that alternatives (including alternative means of transport) for avoiding exceptional hardship are not viable; Loss of employment will be an inevitable consequence of a driving ban for many people. Evidence that loss of employment would follow from disqualification is not in itself sufficient to demonstrate exceptional hardship; whether or not it does will depend on the circumstances of the offender and the consequences of that loss of employment on the offender and/or others. I must say, I still do not understand what the solicitor means by “As a safeguard we have lodged the appeal and applied to suspend your ban pending appeal due to the time limit for being able to automatically appeal without getting leave of the Judge.” When they speak of “leave of the judge” I assume they mean they have lodged an appeal with the Crown Court. I don’t know what for or why they would do this. It seems to follow on from their explanation of the “totting up” ban. If so, I’m surprised that the Crown Court has accepted an appeal against something that has not yet happened. But as I said, i is no clear to me. Only you can decide whether to employ your solicitor to represent you in court. If it was me I would not because there is nothing he can say that you cannot say yourself. However, I am fairly knowledgeable of the process and confident I can deal with it. That said, I do have a feeling that the solicitor is somewhat “over egging the pudding” by introducing such things as appeals to the Crown Court which, in all honesty, you can deal with if they are required. I can only say that the process you will attempt to employ is by no means unusual and all court users will be familiar with it. I can also say that I have only ever heard of one instance where it was refused. In summary, it is my view that it is very unlikely that your offer to do the deal will be refused. If it is accepted, you may be able to persuade he court that the two speeding offences occurred "on the same occasion" and so should only receive one lot of points. Let me know the details (timings, places, etc) and I'll give you my opinion. Just in case your offer is refused, you should have your EH argument ready. Whether it's worth paying what will amount to many hundreds of pounds to pay someone to see this through is your call.  Let me know if I can help further.    
    • This must be part of the new tactic from Evri.  They know they are going to lose. They take it to the wire and then don't bother to turn up in order to save themselves costs and of course they don't give a damn about the cost to the British taxpayer and the extra court delays they cause. This is a nasty dishonest company – but rather in line with all of the parcel delivery industry which knows that their insurance requirements are unlawful. They know that their prohibited items are for the most part unfair terms. They know for the most part that a "safe place" is exactly what it means – are not left on somebody's doorstep in full view. They know that obtaining a signature means that they have to show the signature not simply claim that they received a signature. They are making huge profits especially from their unlawful and unenforceable insurance requirement. Although this is less valuable than the PPI scandal, in terms of the number of people who are affected nationwide, PPI pales into insignificance. I hope the paralegals working for Evri are proud of themselves and they tell their families what they have done during the day when they go home.
    • Your PCN does not comply with the Protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9[2][a] (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The only time on the PCN is 17.14. That is only  a time for there to be a period there would have to be a start and and end time mentioned. of course they do show the ANPR arrival and departures  times but that is not the parking period and their times are on the photographs not on the PCN. They also failed to comply with S.9[2][f] as they omitted to say that they could only pursue the keeper if they complied with the Act. That means that they can only pursue the driver as the keeper cannot be held liable for the charge. As they do not know who was driving and Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person they will struggle to win. Especially as so many people are able to legally drive your car and you haven't appealed giving them no indication therefore of who was driving. Small nitpicking point-the date of Infringement was 22/04/2024. They appear to be saying that they can charge an extra amount [up to £70 ] if they have to use a debt collector. You do not have a contract with a debt collector so they cannot add that cost. You paid for four hours so it can only be the 15 minutes they are complaining about. You are entitled to a ten minute minimum grace period at the end of the parking period which would be easier to explain if the car park had been bigger. However if you allow for two minutes to park and two minutes to leave that gives you one minute to account for. Things like being held on the way out by cars in front waiting to get on to Northgate or even your own car being held up trying to get on to Northgate at a busy time. then other considerations like having to stop to allow pedestrians to walk in front of you or being held up by another car doing a u turn in front of your car. you would have to check with the driver and see if they could account for an extra one minute things like a disabled passenger or having to strap in a child . I am not advocating lying since that could lead to serious problems [like jail time] but there can be an awful lot of minor things that can cause a hold up of a minute even the engine not starting straight away or another car being badly parked as examples. Sadly you cannot include the 5 minute Consideration period as both IPC and BPA fail to comply with the convention that you can include that time with the Grace period.  
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How can customers contact senior executives at asda head office when all e mails and letters sent by royal mail are received by Customer Services who do not even acknowledge receipt or pass them to the person they ere addressed to. They have even failed to respond to an official complaint sent by post. Phone calls are received by Customer Service personnel who promise to "chase it up" but do nothing.

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Hi jay

 

Welcome to CAG

 

Andy Clarke, Chief Executive

 

 

Mark it as a Formal Letter of Complaint

 

He will just pass it on to one of his subordinates and they will refer you back to the store manager

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Were you planning on "resuscitating" many more years old Asda threads?

 

The law still uses statutes dating back to the 1700s, unless a murderer is charged a homicide is still open until the offender is charged and proven guilty, so why should any company that continues with the same practice be year on year be exempt a year or two later? Companies that ignore customer complaints for time in memorial should be held to account for time in memorial. Yours is the sort of response I would expect from the store's management who are in denial and feel they are so big they can walk over their customers.

 

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The law still uses statutes dating back to the 1700s, unless a murderer is charged a homicide is still open until the offender is charged and proven guilty, so why should any company that continues with the same practice be year on year be exempt a year or two later? Companies that ignore customer complaints for time in memorial should be held to account for time in memorial. Yours is the sort of response I would expect from the store's management who are in denial and feel they are so big they can walk over their customers.

 

Gerry PM

 

It is just my opinion so feel free to reject it, but if you want to persuade people / get them "onside":

 

Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)

By all means refer there to these previous threads to reinforce your points.

 

With a well crafted post making clear points you'll influence many more people than bringing up years old threads as if they were current.

 

Do you feel that posting on years old threads gives the impression of "reasonable person, wronged" or "ruminative obsessional who can't get past their interpretation of what has happened to them, may not put their complaint in perspective, might then get ignored by the company and is going to be trawling the internet for any posts criticising their personal bête noir"

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It is just my opinion so feel free to reject it, but if you want to persuade people / get them "onside":

 

Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)

By all means refer there to these previous threads to reinforce your points.

 

With a well crafted post making clear points you'll influence many more people than bringing up years old threads as if they were current.

 

Do you feel that posting on years old threads gives the impression of "reasonable person, wronged" or "ruminative obsessional who can't get past their interpretation of what has happened to them, may not put their complaint in perspective, might then get ignored by the company and is going to be trawling the internet for any posts criticising their personal bête noir"

 

 

 

It is just my opinion so feel free to reject it, but if you want to persuade people / get them "onside":

 

Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)

By all means refer there to these previous threads to reinforce your points.

 

With a well crafted post making clear points you'll influence many more people than bringing up years old threads as if they were current.

 

Without Prejudice

 

BazzerS I greet you well

 

I was taught to be cautious. If you are not a member of the legal profession, judiciary or a Judge I do not wish for your opinion and as for your statement "Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)" I find this statement offensive. You should have at least researched the full extent of my posts on this site prior to expressing your opinion. (You seem to want to gloss over the past which signifies a typical sign of subordinate or management denial when there is something they no longer wish to discuss.) I am viewing the good or bad experiences of others with major retailers who diversify outside of their comfort zone. Many of these I have found to be negative owing to lack of product knowledge and company protocols. Inappropriate use is being made of company policy and staff often take advantage of the "zero tolerance" policy and use it to avoid carrying out the duties for which they are engaged. To be quite frank I have not been researching to get people "onside" and if I need counsel I will seek that of a Judge. I feel this subject is now going off topic and no longer requires a response.

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It is just my opinion so feel free to reject it, but if you want to persuade people / get them "onside":

 

Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)

By all means refer there to these previous threads to reinforce your points.

 

With a well crafted post making clear points you'll influence many more people than bringing up years old threads as if they were current.

 

I've sorted out your "mangled quotation", by the way.

What I wrote is attributed to me now, with what you wrote attributed to you.

 

Without Prejudice

 

BazzerS I greet you well

 

I was taught to be cautious. If you are not a member of the legal profession, judiciary or a Judge I do not wish for your opinion and as for your statement "Post your tale of woe (oops, you have)" I find this statement offensive. You should have at least researched the full extent of my posts on this site prior to expressing your opinion. (You seem to want to gloss over the past which signifies a typical sign of subordinate or management denial when there is something they no longer wish to discuss.) I am viewing the good or bad experiences of others with major retailers who diversify outside of their comfort zone. Many of these I have found to be negative owing to lack of product knowledge and company protocols. Inappropriate use is being made of company policy and staff often take advantage of the "zero tolerance" policy and use it to avoid carrying out the duties for which they are engaged. To be quite frank I have not been researching to get people "onside" and if I need counsel I will seek that of a Judge. I feel this subject is now going off topic and no longer requires a response.

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Apologies if my saying " a well crafted post" may have given you that impression that I am a Mason, given the Masonic references in your reply.

I'm not a Mason.

Some of my friends probably are, but since they seem public-spirited, reasonable people I'm unsure why Freemasonry has even crossed your radar.

 

My writing "well crafted post" was because yours wasn't well crafted, for the reasons I gave, not for any Masonic reference.

 

Neither am I a "member of the legal profession, judiciary or a Judge" : since your initial post didn't state that was a qualification required to reply how was I (or other non-lawyers) expected to know of your requirements?.

 

You re-opened (for reasons still unclear to me) a years old thread. Thus my replies aren't 'off topic' since the inappropriateness of doing so has become the topic.

 

As for you only seeking "counsel of a judge", and feeling the need to make your reply "without prejudice" : I'm not likely to be looking to the law courts to resolve an online debate.

 

I again suggest that such a reply gives the impression of a not entirely balanced individual : taken with your previous response - are you known to a psychiatrist / CPN / psychologist? Might they wish to review you?.

 

(Who writes "without prejudice" [with or without bolding] on an openly visible forum post, anyhow?. Risible.)

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I've sorted out your "mangled quotation", by the way.

What I wrote is attributed to me now, with what you wrote attributed to you.

 

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Apologies if my saying " a well crafted post" may have given you that impression that I am a Mason, given the Masonic references in your reply.

I'm not a Mason.

Some of my friends probably are, but since they seem public-spirited, reasonable people I'm unsure why Freemasonry has even crossed your radar.

 

My writing "well crafted post" was because yours wasn't well crafted, for the reasons I gave, not for any Masonic reference.

 

Neither am I a "member of the legal profession, judiciary or a Judge" : since your initial post didn't state that was a qualification required to reply how was I (or other non-lawyers) expected to know of your requirements?.

 

You re-opened (for reasons still unclear to me) a years old thread. Thus my replies aren't 'off topic' since the inappropriateness of doing so has become the topic.

 

As for you only seeking "counsel of a judge", and feeling the need to make your reply "without prejudice" : I'm not likely to be looking to the law courts to resolve an online debate.

 

I again suggest that such a reply gives the impression of a not entirely balanced individual : taken with your previous response - are you known to a psychiatrist / CPN / psychologist? Might they wish to review you?.

 

(Who writes "without prejudice" [with or without bolding] on an openly visible forum post, anyhow?. Risible.)

 

BazzerS

 

You are scraping the barrel now. I am not known nor have I been refered to a psychiatrist / CPN / psychologist? Perhaps you could recommend me yours. your final word sums your whole conversation up. You can be as rude as you wish but please do not expect me to revert.

 

Gerry

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BazzerS

 

You are scraping the barrel now. I am not known nor have I been refered to a psychiatrist / CPN / psychologist? Perhaps you could recommend me yours.

 

Why would me availing myself of the professional support of a psychologist be a bad thing or a weakness? as the tone of your post appears to suggest.

 

Some job roles / some employers might involve such support to avoid occupational health issues, rather than suggesting someone using such support has a problem.

 

MIND suggest that one in four people in the UK will be affected by mental health problems at some stage in their lifetime. Surely this burden could be reduced if it wasn't seen as a bad thing to seek support, or people had more insight....

 

My psychologist would likely not see you, nor likely be able to help you if they did, given they specialise in issues of transference and counter-transference in the work environment, and their help requires insight in their client, rather than trying to help ruminatives lacking in insight (who would require a rather different skill set)

 

"How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb ..... "?

 

"Only one, but the lightbulb has to want to change"

 

your final word sums your whole conversation up. You can be as rude as you wish but please do not expect me to revert.

 

Gerry

 

You type that I shouldn't expect you to "revert" (and it isn't clear what you mean by that), but you certainly have responded, both overly defensively and "lashing back".

 

Clearly you feel I've been rude : but why? - My responses are only a "holding up a mirror" to your posts.

 

I still suggest you look at how resurrecting years olds threads and then reacting defensively, only wanting 'replies from lawyers', and viewing psychological support as an indicator of weakness makes you appear.

You claim not to be bothered by what people think, but your posts suggest otherwise ....

 

I suspect your friend may have more chance of getting their ban from Asda rescinded without your "help" if your taking up his case with Asda has proceeded along similar lines as your interactions here.

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"I still suggest you look at how resurrecting years olds threads and then reacting defensively, only wanting 'replies from lawyers', and viewing psychological support as an indicator of weakness makes you appear.

You claim not to be bothered by what people think, but your posts suggest otherwise ...."

 

This is gas lighting in action and it's why I try not to use certain forums anymore, I had hoped this place would be different.

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"I still suggest you look at how resurrecting years olds threads and then reacting defensively, only wanting 'replies from lawyers', and viewing psychological support as an indicator of weakness makes you appear.

You claim not to be bothered by what people think, but your posts suggest otherwise ...."

 

This is gas lighting in action and it's why I try not to use certain forums anymore, I had hoped this place would be different.

 

I had to look up "gas lighting"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

 

So, which information I've provided are you suggesting is false?

 

resurrecting years olds threads ... He did

reacting defensively .... He did

only wanting 'replies from lawyers' ..... He didn't say this initially, but later added it

viewing psychological support as an indicator of weakness ... His response suggested this

 

You may not agree with my assessment, but I've not presented any false information .....

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BazzaS,

 

To assume that someone needs psychological help based on the limited information you had would be seen as ignorant to any reasonable person. To suggest that anyone needs psychological help, particularly a stranger who you don't know, particularly one you're arguing with and lack real concern with for, the way you did is offensive. It would be a touchy subject even between friends or family and would need to be brought up tactfully. You then took use his natural offense as evidence of some kind of hang up.

 

Let me give you an example: a girl at work I dislike has put on a slight but noticeable amount of weight, emphasis on slight, one day I choose to ask her in front of everyone if she's pregnant. If this happened she would have every right to be offended and my motives would be clear to her and everyone else in the office who knew I don't really like her. If I then tried to make the argument that there's nothing wrong with pregnancy and therefore no need for her to be offended I would look even worse, you don't have to have an issue with pregnancy to be offended for someone suggesting you look pregnant.

 

You had no basis to bring up his mental health, even if for some reason you felt it was true you should have known it would offend and kept it to yourself - after all you didn't honestly think he'd be receptive to the advice of an unqualified stranger? I actually think the reverse is true, that you make a mockery of mental illness by bringing it unnecessarily into this argument. You have been critical of his behavior and obviously have a low opinion of him - is this just how you think all mentally ill people are? Petty? Irrational? Ruminative? Is there even a mental illness which primarily consists of these symptoms? Those sound like character traits.

 

Being mentally ill doesn't make someone unpleasant (many people can be nasty and unpleasant all by themselves)neither does simply having a mental illness mean someone can't be objective and will exhibit their symptoms in every situation. A depressed person can make valid negative conclusions about a situation which any other other non depressed would make without their depression being the driving factor. And mental illness isn't something anyone wants to have, try asking someone with it. It doesn't make someone weak but it is a weakness, like a physical impairment- if you can't get this then I don't know what else to tell you.

 

To answer the rest of your questions I would guess he reacted defensively because of how you came at him, your tone. As for the the lawyer thing, that isn't necessarily what he was saying - it was specific to you because I'm guessing he found your opinions unhelpful, rude and off topic. The bringing up the old thread issue well it just happens from time to time in forums for various reasons, sometimes people don't even realize it's old and will ask the OP a question- sometimes it's a good thing, newbies get to see something interesting they otherwise wouldn't have, if not it's easy to just ignore the thread. I don't have any major issues with Asda but for people who are having problems with them it is helpful to know that even escalating to the Chief Executive isn't straightforward.

 

That's all I have to say, I have no interest in pointless e-beefing, all my questions are rhetorical. Tbh I feel like this comes under trolling and it makes for a better forum when the users responsible for it are banned.

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BazzaS,

 

To assume that someone needs psychological help based on the limited information you had would be seen as ignorant to any reasonable person. To suggest that anyone needs psychological help, particularly a stranger who you don't know, particularly one you're arguing with and lack real concern with for, the way you did is offensive. It would be a touchy subject even between friends or family and would need to be brought up tactfully. You then took use his natural offense as evidence of some kind of hang up.

 

Let me give you an example: a girl at work I dislike has put on a slight but noticeable amount of weight, emphasis on slight, one day I choose to ask her in front of everyone if she's pregnant. If this happened she would have every right to be offended and my motives would be clear to her and everyone else in the office who knew I don't really like her. If I then tried to make the argument that there's nothing wrong with pregnancy and therefore no need for her to be offended I would look even worse, you don't have to have an issue with pregnancy to be offended for someone suggesting you look pregnant.

 

You had no basis to bring up his mental health, even if for some reason you felt it was true you should have known it would offend and kept it to yourself - after all you didn't honestly think he'd be receptive to the advice of an unqualified stranger? I actually think the reverse is true, that you make a mockery of mental illness by bringing it unnecessarily into this argument. You have been critical of his behavior and obviously have a low opinion of him - is this just how you think all mentally ill people are? Petty? Irrational? Ruminative? Is there even a mental illness which primarily consists of these symptoms? Those sound like character traits.

 

Being mentally ill doesn't make someone unpleasant (many people can be nasty and unpleasant all by themselves)neither does simply having a mental illness mean someone can't be objective and will exhibit their symptoms in every situation. A depressed person can make valid negative conclusions about a situation which any other other non depressed would make without their depression being the driving factor. And mental illness isn't something anyone wants to have, try asking someone with it. It doesn't make someone weak but it is a weakness, like a physical impairment- if you can't get this then I don't know what else to tell you.

 

To answer the rest of your questions I would guess he reacted defensively because of how you came at him, your tone. As for the the lawyer thing, that isn't necessarily what he was saying - it was specific to you because I'm guessing he found your opinions unhelpful, rude and off topic. The bringing up the old thread issue well it just happens from time to time in forums for various reasons, sometimes people don't even realize it's old and will ask the OP a question- sometimes it's a good thing, newbies get to see something interesting they otherwise wouldn't have, if not it's easy to just ignore the thread. I don't have any major issues with Asda but for people who are having problems with them it is helpful to know that even escalating to the Chief Executive isn't straightforward.

 

That's all I have to say, I have no interest in pointless e-beefing, all my questions are rhetorical. Tbh I feel like this comes under trolling and it makes for a better forum when the users responsible for it are banned.

 

There is a "report post " button if you feel my post(s) need reporting / you feel I should be banned.

 

He said " if I want counsel I'll ask a judge" : that suggests it isn't just me that he was applying his 'judiciary only' standard to.

 

I used his "look for years old posts and then feel that was reasonable behaviour" as "evidence of hang up" with Asda, because that's what it looks like to me.

 

Evidence of "unqualified stranger" : fair to assume I'm a stranger to him, but on what basis do you assume I'm unqualified?.

 

Ruminative is indeed a character trait, not a psychiatric diagnosis. Some of the points I've made that you've glossed over are that

A) seeing a psychologist isn't a bad thing

B) seeing a psychologist doesn't mean you are mentally ill

 

I'll add:

Being ruminative is a character trait : it would only become an issue were it affecting someone's quality of life (for example if they found themselves persuing a supermarket "Around the Internet" for 'revenge' and that started to affect their day to day activities).

 

I'll also add : as for "no one with it wants it, ask anyone with it" it is a great leap for you to assume I don't "understand " mental illness, or that I'm not affected by mental illness myself.

With one in 4 people affected themselves by mental illness at some stage in their life how of you know I'm not in the 1 in 4?

That I'm not (or haven't been in the past ) affected by it either myself directly or by its effect on a family nember?

 

There is some sort of implication by you that mental illness is a homogenous being : that you understand it in all its forms and I don't.

With the fact that I've never said that poster was mentally ill (ruminative who see's a psychologist doesn't equal mentally ill, for example) : I think that's a leap too far.

 

Be it mental illness or "character trait" : the presence of that part of us isn't a problem on its own. If we "understand" it and its impact on us and those around us it is less likely to be an issue than those where insight into it is lacking.

 

Hopefully that (and what follows) makes my position clearer :

I'm not saying that poster was mentally ill, but that he looked to me like he had a fixation on Asda.

 

Having said that : time for me to cease replying on this thread before I have someone suggesting I'm dwelling here too much!

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I am closing this thread.

 

 

The original poster asked if any member of the forum could give him the head office address of the supermarket in question.

 

 

 

gpmc, the Original poster asked the question nearly 2 years ago !! I am sure what ever issues he had have well been resolved. !!

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