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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Will do that tomorrow. On reflection of ways to contact me. It's just occurred to me they had/have all my exes details. Phone number, address the lot - they knew we were on good terms and were ALWAYS discussing the account with him. It was in my name, but they were alwas more then happy to talk money with him. How about a statement from him as my evidence saying they didn't try to contact him either - I know they didn't because we're very close friends and he'd have told me. He's also aware of what's going in now - so had they have contact him at all - I'd have known.

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Another spanner -

When I first sent the kids to the nursery it was called one thing (let's say nurseryA), sometime later it was taken over by another group (I now realise because nurseryA had a bad name and many had been shut down), let's call the other group nurseryB. Most paperwork still came through with nurseryA's name and cheques were always made payable to nurseryA. The claimants name on the court letter I have today is nurseryA, but, I go to nurseryA's website it directs to nurseryB. I just looked on companies house and nurseryA isn't there, only nurseryB.

 

I was only looking as it's almost a year and I wondered whether or not to make the cheque payable to nurseryB as that's now the name they use for everything.

 

(the one I sent last year was to nurseryA as that was the name I'd always put on cheques)

 

Did that make sense?

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I have had a look again at companies house and I can see they changed their name last year, so am gonna send it to the new name on the basis, they aren't going to be able to cash a cheque in their old name as that company no longer exists - so there's no chance of them doing it.

 

(Name changed after I sent the last cheque - phew)

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I agree with your friend send a formal written request for copies of the recordings.

Claim number:

In xxxx County Court

EzyChic

 

v

 

xxx Nursery

Formal Request

Date:

For the attention:

Mr caught telling porkies

Cobblers Solicitors

Liars Avenue

Bailiffworld

 

Dear Sir,

I formally request you provide Copies/Transcripts of the two recorded telephone conversations it is claimed you held with myself in respect of the above matter, to eliminate any doubt, the reference for this request is our telephone conversation of xxx July 2011 and the calls you alluded to having on file.

I trust you will treat my request with some urgency due to the scheduled hearing of the above claim for xx August2011 and, I anticipate you will fulfill the rquest within 7 days from the date of this letter.

Yours

Can you send me PM with what is on your N244 then I can use that as a base to expand your WS I have just noticed post by Matt63 and strongly agree with him about paying the debt immediately, then if refused they will be seen as being unreasonable.

 

WD

 

Email? or should we go for 'signed for'? (not written it yet). Bearing in mind I've had no reply to my previous email. This is quite good fun actually :-)

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IMHO I suspect that your set aside may fail, for several reasons:

1) You acknowledge you owe the money

2) You deliberately didn't tell them your forwarding address, so any papers were served upon your old address as that was the last known address they had for you.

3) You didn't organise any mail redirection for a year or so from your old address - something a reasonable person would have done, or left a forwarding address at your old address.

 

However on the upside, they need to have behaved reasonably, and if they haven't done so, then the set aside may well be allowed. You'd be well advised to cancel the old cheque if under 6 months old, and re-issue a new one to the nursery.

If you can prove they got your final letter (which in hindsight, you should have sent recorded delivery as it was a reasonably important letter given you moved and didn't give a forwarding address to them) then this would (IMHO) constitute a reasonable defence (i.e. you had already attempted to pay, but the payment was ignored/refused at the time).

 

On the other hand, the whole thing is down to the judge on the day, some of them will be by the book, others will look upon it with sympathy, others will be having a bad day. They're all human remember! You'd be better off appearing in person, rather than by post though.

 

HTH, IANAL :D

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Thanks Cyberprog,

 

I can't work out whether or not they did get the original letter and cheque, if they did why didn't they cash it and if they didn't why did they not say that when I mentioned the letter and cheque later in email correspondence.

 

The old cheque is over 6 months so would be no good now anyway. Reissued one will be on it's way later today...

 

It didn't occur to me to send the letter recorded back then, I had no reason to think they wouldn't get it, and if they hadn't, wouldn't they have told me?

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I didn't organise mail redirection as I changed my address with everyone I needed to. I wasn't going to pay to have junk mail redirected, that's all I was likely to get.

 

I didn't expect a court summons to randomly show up. who would?

 

I'm worried now, although even if I lose it's not the end of the world.

 

I'm wondering if it's worth trying to get my own solicitor? Or not?

 

Ezy

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They're things a reasonable person might have been expected to do however :)

 

You could talk to a solicitor, and while I wouldn't advise against a solicitor you often get more leway with a judge when they deal with a layperson rather than solicitor vs solicitor. Plus you end up throwing more money at the problem and the only winners are the landsharks.

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Morning Ezy

 

WS will be done today,

 

No you do not need a solicitor, as Cyberborg says the Court will be sympathetic to you acting as litigant in person.

 

How long after you sent the cheque was it before you moved house, what I am getting at is, did they have ample time to write to you at your old address before entering into litigation on this matter.

 

You were not obliged to give them your new address or any contact details as you were not aware of any outstanding debt to them. Yes you acknowledged the money was owed and yes you were under the impression the debt was settled, also your email contact was an opening for them to reply to you and discuss any problems they had with the payment.

 

WD

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Hi,

 

Not long cheque was send late sept, we completed on this house 30th Sept - we moved within a week or two. Isn't them an email in November (the beginning) because u thought they must have replied by letter-

They repkied via email asking me to conform my details - I did and they never replied again.

 

I stupidly assumed they were just ignoring me hoping I'd go away and take my complaint with me. And that infect is what I did, I really could t be bothered to chase the complaint any further - I had a new house, was also studying, working, being a mum and had just got engaged and had a wedding to plan - I could have gone to OFSTED with the complaint but just though 'b@lls to it, life's to short'.

 

Bloody wish I had have done now!

 

My hope is that a judge sees that I made contact with then which (thank god) they acknowledged - I made a reference to the cheque in the email and to the letter. They ignored me thereafter. That would have been a good time for them to say what cheque? What letter? They didn't!

 

If the judge doesn't see that and I lose, I gues at least it's caused them some inconvenience :-) and I didn't go out without a fight.

 

Staying positive.

 

Thanks WD for help with the WS

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A was bought by B before any of this. They sent me letters from B, but the claimant is A.

 

I don't know. Very confusing. I am thinking as A and B are one and the same - but as they use the trade name B now I need to send them the money.

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OMG! Why did I not do this earlier - now I could be mistaken, I could BUT- I have a statement that the nursery sent to me with all the payents I have made etc. I have just cross checked it with my bankstatements. Now it would seem - get this, that there is over £600 NOT on the nursery statement that I have paid. I'm going to double check this, but if it's right. It'd seem they owe me money. I do hope so.

 

Thank goodness for internet banking

 

ezy

 

Will update if/when I am sure

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If they do, you can get it set aside and lodge a counter-claim :)

 

Yes that would be a good move and as hopefully your statements will show you didn't owe the money anyway, as you overpaid the claimant should then also cop for your costs and some fees for their bailiff...

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It would seem THEY OWE ME £300! I didn't owe them in the first place. I have the invoice from them AND all my bank statements. BEAUTIFUL :-D.

 

Unless they've missed something off the statement - which is their fault.

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It would seem THEY OWE ME £300! I didn't owe them in the first place. I have the invoice from them AND all my bank statements. BEAUTIFUL :-D.

 

Unless they've missed something off the statement - which is their fault.

 

Others will know more but I would contact the court, and ask to submit the statements and the invoice showing the overpayment, thus blowing their whole case out of the water and take advice about action against them for their muppetry in getting the judgment in the first place.

 

But I'm sure others will be ale to pinpoint the best way forward, anyway good luck on this EzyChic, you are on the home straight now

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