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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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ok, first of all I want to issue a warning to all who post on these forums, I have been on these forums before under a different account and I don't know how they did it but the bailiffs (marstons) knew that I had been on here, I thought I had been adequately vague in my posts but it seems I was not, so you will have to forgive my lack of detail in the following posts and I hope you are able to help from what I can (hopefully) safely say.

 

 

The other person who lives in the house with me owns all the items inside the property. (literally all items)

That person has done a Statutory declaration to declare just that.

Marstons have acknowledged receiving the statutory declaration via letter.

In the same letter they have indicated they wish to attend to "verify" details I am unable to provide.

Their rude employee on the phone informs me they will come with a locksmith to "verify" these issues, but doesn't know what it is that needs to be verified (the letter does not state it either)

 

They have not attended the property at all yet.

 

Now I have a few questions if anybody is able to answer I would be extremely grateful.

 

Now they have admitted receiving the statutory declaration, are they able to overrule what it says and remove goods anyway?

If not are they still able to force entry to the property even though they can't remove any goods?

 

 

 

And this is the most troublesome question, of which there seems to be very little specific info available...

 

How exactly are they allowed to "force entry"?

without going into detail, it would be impossible for a locksmith to open our front or back door without using some sort of battering ram to smash it through.

Are they allowed to smash windows?

 

 

This is for an unpaid criminal fine from a magistrates court which I received many years ago, and had paid most of it off before I became unable to continue to pay (i did inform the court at the time)

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I would have thought they would be told that Noddy masquerading as a bailiff and their tame locksmith, who we will call Big Ears, who drilled and damaged someone else's property, viz a door lock, assuming you have no interest beyond a lodger, by Mr Plod that they had been "Very Naughty Indeed", and would feel their collars. Really on this one tomtubby may be your girl, but I'm sure others will know more also

 

If they have sent a letter of that nature, and they insist they need to drill someones lock to force entry to rifle though belongings looking for proofs of ownership and receipts in their name, in the occupier's absence, because they choose to ignore a Stat Dec, and Noddy, taking the stereo, and microwave and the laptop and bearing it off for auction in his little car, needs to be part of a letter to your MP and the Court manager imho

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Thanks brassneck, They would need much more than drill to open any door to this house, after a spate of "smash 'n' grabs" being done by the local scrotes in the area during the middle of the night, the owner of this house, along with many other house owners in the street reinforced their doors and frames, I'm not sure if they all went as far as has been done to the doors here, but you would most definitely not be getting in via the use of a drill.

 

This house is NEVER unattended I certainly will not be leaving the house until this is sorted, and all the reinforcements are in place as long as somebody is inside. not to mention that 'reinforcement' will include me holding the door shut if needs be. (would I be breaking the law if I did this?)

 

But if they are allowed to smash windows and climb through then there is little I suppose can be done to stop them, for safety the owner had to stop short of barring all the upstairs windows.

 

I tried to contact the court about what the bailiffs have said, but they say "it is out of there hands now", and I really wouldn't bother wasting a stamp by writing to my MP. (won't go into detail, but he is not sympathetic of people who owe fines in the slightest)

 

I have arranged a webcam (with sound) in the front area of the house so everything will be recorded if anything happens, but I just can't find out exactly what rights they have when it comes to breaking in. If they can do it by any means they choose then I am surely fighting a losing battle.

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Just for clarity, these are the specific questions that I am struggling to find an answer for...

 

Now they have admitted receiving the statutory declaration, are they able to overrule what it says and remove goods anyway?

If not are they still able to force entry to the property even though they can't remove any goods?

 

How exactly are they allowed to "force entry"?

Are they allowed to smash windows?

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If they attend there is nothing that says you either have to deal or speak to them. Whatever happens do not answer the door - that then avoids the foot in the door trick. To force entry they would need the permission of the Court and I would imagine you are quite a way from that happening. As this is for a criminal fine(s) I would have thought you possibly may stand the chance of being lifted on an arrest warrant whereby you could be hauled back before the Court to explain your non-payment. If it is because you cannot afford to pay then I was under the impression you could attend under your own steam and tell them this - although I am of the ancient ilk I may have my wires crossed on this as time has marched on.

 

If at the end of the day they do eventually force entry then they have to make good any damage caused which is why they use a locksmith - then charge you for the privilege. If your Stat Dec has been done correctly then it should stand up OK as if proven otherwise you or the other person could be at risk of perverting the course of justice, obstruction or contempt - this procedure should never be done lightly.

 

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So if I'm reading your post right ploddertom, it seems that they can decide they don't believe the statutory declaration is true, and force entry to try to confirm this? (this would seem to render a Stautory Declaration of Ownership useless)

 

It is 100% correct and true that all items within the boundaries of the property belong solely to the person who sworn the Declaration. The solicitor helped them word the declaration, so I can only assume it is done correctly.

 

 

I would be more than happy to be arrested or go back to court under any circumstances, this is my debt and I fully accept that, I am just completely unable to discharge the debt and do not own any items that can be levied against. I am only concerned about the owners house and their possessions which are inside it.

I would imagine if the bailiff can ignore the statutory declaration and make his own mind up as to who owns the items inside, that he could quite reasonably assume some of the items inside the house are mine [although they are not] I do reside in this house and use some of the items that the owner possesses, in some cases as if they are my own. I thought the declaration took the decision making out of the bailiffs hands.

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So if I'm reading your post right ploddertom, it seems that they can decide they don't believe the statutory declaration is true, and force entry to try to confirm this? (this would seem to render a Stautory Declaration of Ownership useless)

 

 

They would need to establish it was wrong first. The Stat Dec is a legal doc and they would need some very good grounds to question it. However if for instance you were driving around in a vehicle emblazoned with Joe's Builders on it and someone called Mionnie said it was theirs then yes it would be questionable. I think you are worrying too much and believing them, which of course is what they want you to believe. I assume you have read all the threads on here where this has actually happened?

 

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The other person who lives in the house with me owns all the items inside the property. (literally all items)

That person has done a Statutory declaration to declare just that.

Marstons have acknowledged receiving the statutory declaration via letter.

In the same letter they have indicated they wish to attend to "verify" details I am unable to provide.

 

The request to "verify" can be disregarded because the statutory declaration is enough.

 

 

 

 

They have not attended the property at all yet.

 

Now I have a few questions if anybody is able to answer I would be extremely grateful.

 

Now they have admitted receiving the statutory declaration, are they able to overrule what it says and remove goods anyway?

 

Nothing legal can allow a bailiff to pervert a staturory declation. Its the law: Statutory Declarations Act 1835

 

 

If not are they still able to force entry to the property even though they can't remove any goods?

 

No.

 

 

And this is the most troublesome question, of which there seems to be very little specific info available...

 

How exactly are they allowed to "force entry"?

 

Police and others have different definitions of "Forced Entry"

 

To the majority it means "breaking and entering" under common law inflicting damage to property in the meaning of Section 1 of the Criminal Damage Act 1971.

 

Police define it a bailiff being able to enter a property without permission, and without causing and damage or coming into physical contact with a person.

 

 

without going into detail, it would be impossible for a locksmith to open our front or back door without using some sort of battering ram to smash it through.

 

They can pick the locks and get into property without damaging them. But a locksmith is not going to risk a criminal record interfering with the locks of someones property just because a bailiff has asked him. He could be liable for burglary because the locksmith does not carry a document saying he is authorised to enter a property without permission.

 

Are they allowed to smash windows?

 

No. To break into a property he needs a breaking in order signed by a magistrate. Ive never known a magistrate to grant one for a bailiff collecting a fine. These are for police officers to raid a property suspected in being involved in crime.

 

 

This is for an unpaid criminal fine from a magistrates court which I received many years ago, and had paid most of it off before I became unable to continue to pay (i did inform the court at the time)

 

It will probably come to nothing. Just dont confirm your name. Most unpaid fines that reach bailiffs are usually DOA cases.

 

You are not liable for any "fees" on court fines. There is no law setting them, and there is no contract between you and a bailiff saying you have agreed to pay him fees. They will always try on the £75 +£200 fees racket and that goes straight in his pocket.

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I am indeed worrying, and I have read a lot of the threads on here (still making my way through some of them)

 

The one thing that I noticed in threads is as soon as it gets noted that it is a criminal fine, it gets said that "yes they can force entry" as this is a criminal fine, I thought I was being sensible in worrying, as it is not the normal case of the bailiff making up powers he doesn't really have, in my case they seem to have the power to break into the house. is that not so?

 

edit --> Thank you Fork it, your post makes me feel a lot better about the situation :D

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If they are not permitted to smash windows or use a battering ram against the door, I have no worries.

 

I would happily watch a locksmith try to pick the locks he thinks are holding the doors shut until he is blue in the face, I'm sure it would make a pretty good youtube video watching a locksmith fail until he gets bored and gives up.

 

But as PT points out, that seemingly has never happened.

 

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So am I right in thinking that they would have to get further permission from a court before taking such actions, and it is not written into the order that has been issued to collect the debt?

 

Or is already there and they can escalate it themselves if they can justify taking such an extraordinary measure? (after reading what i just typed, im guessing it has to be the first one, or they could just concoct a story to justify it)

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Hi Everyone,

 

Need a little assistance with the Marston Group and a Magistrates fine. I had a fine back in 2008 from Sussex HMCS for not having any car tax (my bad and I accept it was wrong), the fine was for £191.25 of which I paid £140.00. I moved home not long after but before I moved I sent the remaining payment of £51.25 and details of my new address incase of any further queries. I have received nothing for nearly 2 years until last week when I received a letter fromthe Marston Group Bailiffs demanding £326.25 for the unpaid fine, I have called them and questioned the amount and the have told me that it is made up of £51.25 passed to them by Sussex HMCS (as they say they did not receive my letter and final payment) a £75.00 acceptance fee of the case referred to them and also a £200.00 fee for visting my old address. I explained that I have never been visited by their bailiff but she just said that allthough I wasn't at the old address when they visited I still have to pay the attendance fee.

 

I have called Sussex HMCS and have asked them to recall the debt from Marstons and I will pay off the £51.25 left from the original fine but she says that they are not allowed to do this as this is the Law and I cannot question the fees structure of marstons as it is a Magistrates Fine.

 

Is this correct or can I complete a form and ask for it to be recalled? I have until Friday to sort out..

 

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