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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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    • when did they (who) inform you there was a 'police case' and when was this attained? i will guess the debt is now SB'd as it's UAE 15yrs. have you informed the bsnk ever by email/letter of your correct and current address? you can always ignore anyone else accept the bank,  Block and bounce back all emails. Block any text messages  Ignore any letters unless it's: - a Statutory Demand - a Letter Of Claim - a Court Claimform via Northants bulk.  
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Sorry I didn't reply earlier.I am logged in but got sidetracked at work.Is the N1 the claim form?If so, I did ask the Court Staff for a copy but was advised 'only a Judge/Court can order this'.I don't know if the claimant would have a copy, but I did ask for all documentation regarding legal action, and they sent absolutely nothing at all.Including the SAR, I have asked three times for a statement and they either cannot or will not supply me with one.I have never, at any time, received a DN,and they (again) either cannot or will not supply a copy or even confirm if one was actually sent. I'm due to finish in about an hour, but will try to get online somewhere over the weekend.I'm actually looking forward to Monday.The Set Aside should be granted.Wish me luck.Regards..Signaller

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The POC is what was put in the online claim, which I think you have don't you? The N1 is only used for claims made via the courts, but my understanding is that this was an online claim.

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Caro, yes you are correct.Initially the claim was made via Northampton.It was transferred to my local County Court.I don't know how.As said at the beginning of my thread, I only became aware that legal action was being taken against me when I received a notice of an AoE order.Everything that had been sent prior to this was sent to my previous address.When I queried at my local Court why everything had been sent to my previous address, and only the AoE to my correct (current) address, I was told that they sent correspondence to the address the claimant gave to them. The claimant was aware of my correct address at all times, and I have proof of this.Thank You again for your time.Regards..Signaller

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Well your argument for the set aside seems rock solid to me, but it's the judge you have to convince. Go get 'em!

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The POC is what was put in the online claim, which I think you have don't you? The N1 is only used for claims made via the courts, but my understanding is that this was an online claim.

 

Its still an N1 claim form Caro even if made on line CCBC or Local County Court..

 

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I stand corrected Andy. I never knew that.

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I will have to go shortly, as my relief will be here soon.I have one more thing to ask please. Am I allowed to bring their (the claimants) conduct of the way they have brought this action to the DJ's attention, or is it a matter for another time and day.Regards to Everyone who has helped me so far.Thank You so much.Signaller

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No problem Caro but you are absolutely correct its the P.o.C that is fundamental and a necessity to any re defence.

Sig I have never had a problem requesting a copy of any N1 I think you are being led up the garden path here.

 

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I will have to go shortly, as my relief will be here soon.I have one more thing to ask please. Am I allowed to bring their (the claimants) conduct of the way they have brought this action to the DJ's attention, or is it a matter for another time and day.Regards to Everyone who has helped me so far.Thank You so much.Signaller

 

Another time another day, get the Set a Side first then get the N1, get the paperwork.

 

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UPDATE...As expected, they didn't even turn up.No letter to the Court even.DJ wasn't impressed.Didn't get my Set Aside though.DJ asked me if I had a statement from them.I explained their refusal to provide a statement, and they have been ordered to provide one to me and the Court by a certain time and date.The DJ explained he could not Set Aside judgement unless I could show a reasonable prospect of defending.How can I when they refuse to comply?He did say though, that the application is only adjoured until the next date, so it hasn't been granted yet or declined.I thought it would heve been granted today because I satisfy quite a few of the reasons to have it Set Aside.I would, as usual, appreciate anyones thoughts, and suggestions how to proceed.Regards..Signaller

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A statement of what Sig? what difference would a statement have made to an application to set a side? Did he want to deal with the defence today?

Oh well if they didnt even bother to attend today i doubt they will bother with a " Statement " what ever that has on relevance of a decision.You did state that you had never received the summons? that was all the reasonable prospect needed.

 

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DJ asked if I had a statement of account.I did say that I do not know what,if anything, I do actually owe.We all know how they were able to obtain the Judgement in the first place but it didn't seem obvious to the DJ.He never mentioned anything about dealing with the defence today.To confirm, I have never received a DN/TN/LBA/Summons. All I have ever received is the notification of the AoE order.They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.I don't know if I have to provide a defence by the next hearing date.The DJ just said he will deal with the application to Set Aside at the next hearing date.I have to go in a few minutes, as I'm using a PC at the library, but will try to find somewhere else to get online later.Signaller

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Hi Everyone,I thought, along with all of you who have replied. that the Set Aside was certain.They knew where I was living, and I have proof.I'm not sure what to do now.I could start putting a defence together if I had the required documents.As the the DJ has ordered them to provide a detailed statement by a certain time and date, I'm hoping they can't,or don't.Maybe he will strike out!I don't know.Can someone please advise how to proceed.I will pop back in later today.Tahnk You all again.

 

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It would seem that the judge thinks it would be a waste of time setting the judgment aside unless you have a very strong defence. If he set it aside and you go on to lose the case anyway you might find yourself subject to some hefty costs, unless you can convince the judge that you are justified in your action due to them not sending everything to the right address, or sending the proper documentation so that you could deal with it.

 

What you need to think about now is how you would have dealt with this claim if it had been properly served. You need to know if the amount is accurate which they've been told to supply. Does it include PPI and was it mis-sold? Does it include charges? Would you have defended?

 

I fear that in many cases lack of documentation does not seem to worry judges. All they want to know is did you borrow the money and if so you need to pay it back, so all you can do for now is lots of research to see if there is something special in your case that will convince a judge that the claim isn't enforceable.

 

Prepare a budget sheet and work out how much you can afford to pay if the worst comes to the worst. There's a template here. Budget Sheet.xls

 

How long did the judge give to provide a statement of account, and did he give an indication of when the next hearing may be? Did he say anything about costs?

 

You know now that you can never predict what will happen in court, so you need to think about whether you're prepared to carry on fighting, or if it might be worth seeing if you can settle on terms that are acceptable to you, without incurring costs.

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Dear Signaller, thank you for your second letter re the SAR.I suspect this situation is going to keep going backward and forwards for some considerable period of time.May I make the following observations:1. Firstly you do not dispute the debt.2.You do however dispute that the default notice and particulars of claim were served to you at the incorrect address.3.Because of this you have applied to have the judgement set aside...if this occurred then we can of course re-issue and then obtain judgement against you.Can I suggest that to avoidany further time wasting for us both that we agree a cost effective settlement.I would suggest that we would accept a sum of £350 in full and final settlement of you account payable within 30 days of this letter.If you agree with this please contact myself on 07********* and we can formalise this agreement and postpone the hearing on xx/xx/xx pending receipt.I look forward to hearing from you early next week.Yours blah blah blah.

 

Now the door is open to possible settlement contact them before the next hearing and state you are prepare to negotiate and get them down to the true figure.Im sure they will accept to avoid possible further costs for the sake of £150.

Put an end to this matter and relieve you of the stress and possible further costs.?

 

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The above are from August 16th I think you may need to consider this option now Sig in light of yesterdays conclusion.

 

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Thank You both for replying.They claim they agree to lend me £x.This is wrong.I do not know what, if anything I do owe.This is one of the reasons I asked for a statement, amongst other things.I may or may not owe less,or more,than £350.There are procedures to follow, and they clearly did not follow them.We are expected to follow procedures, so why not them.If the judgement stands, then I am having to pay their costs to date.There was no mention of costs at the hearing though.They have 14 days to provide myself and the Court with a detailed statement.I don't really have any defence at the moment, as you know they have not provided what I have asked for.At the end of the day I know it is my decision on how to proceed.The DJ didn't give a specific date for the next hearing.Just that they are ordered to provide a detailed statement within 14 days, and the next hearing would be soon after.How could a judgement possibly stand, if the amount they are claiming is wrong?I value your opinions and advice, and look forward to any furthwer comments.Thank You..Regards..Signaller

The DJ did say that the Set Aside is only adjourned, yesterday wasn't a final decision.

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To be honest, Signaller, another problem may be the way you dealt with the judge. Did you insist on presenting your case to him, pointing out all the important facts, and asking for a judgment?

 

If you assumed he would simply read and understand you have fallen into a very common litigant in person trap of assuming the judge would be thorough. They need pushing!

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Most LiPs are reluctant to take on a DJ I don't know why, they are only human (I think?:???:) If you think they are wrong state they are wrong (with the greatest respect)

If you don't accept then state you don't accept.After all their indecisiveness and lack of knowledge of the law may affect your livelihood for a long time and you only get one throw of the dice in these matters.

 

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I was only in for about 5 minutes yesterday.I assumed yesterday was only about the Set Aside, and if it was granted, then any defence I had would be heard at the next hearing.Perhaps I showed him too much respect.I had proof they were aware of my correct address.The DJ had in front of him copies of the two letters I referred to earlier, which confirms they knew where I was living.But I thought all that I had with me was for another day.I guess I will have to try to be more assertive next time.After three requests for a statement from myself they have not provided one.I wonder if they come up with something in the next 14 days.Signaller

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In hindsight and as implied in my earlier posts Sig it was a case of him needing more of a proposed defence should he set a side. Not right as the hearing should be to decide just the set a side.Different DJ,s different approaches.One of the most common reasons for a set a side is the wrong address tactic and the most used reason which is accepted without further explanation.Lets see what comes of the order and any impending hearing.

 

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Andy, I know you said in an earlier post that some DJ's can deal with the defence at the same time, but I could not put a defence together with what I have so far.Their statement of case is wrong.They did not lend what they claim to have. I have rock solid proof they were aware of my correct address.I will have to point it out at the next hearing if I'm allowed the time. Then theres the DN/TN/LBA.I have never received either of these, and have asked for them, or rather copies but they either cannot or will not comply.As usual, I will update you on events as and when they occurr..Regards..Signaller

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Hi, it's been a while (or rather seems like it) since I last posted.I received a letter yesterday from the claimant headed ' Notice of Sum in Arrears', and dated a few days ago.It does not say or suggest it is a copy of one sent previously.It gives a total balance and an arrears balance and asks that if I have not already done so,I should send a cheque for the full arrears balance by return of post.How can they issue this notice AFTER judgement and enforcement?They were ordered by the DJ to supply myself and the Court with a detailed statement by a certain date.They have not done so.Not sure what to make of this.When someone has the time can you please advise further.I was supposed to have received from the Court a letter stating what was discussed at the hearing, and the outcome.I've not received anything to date, but will phone the Court this morning and post again later today.Thank You, in advance.RegardsSignaller

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Just came off the phone after speaking with someone at the Court. The letters to myself and the claimant regarding the Set Aside hearing were only sent out two days ago.So the letter I received from them yesterday obviously was not a response to the hearing.I feel a bit silly asking this, but I must. Are 'Default Notice' and 'Notice of Arrears' the same.I ask this because there is no date stated to rectify the arrears in the letter I received.Just that if I have not already done so, I should send a cheque for the arrears ammount.Surely they should have sent this prior to any Court actionI'm starting to struggle again with this now, as there are other personal issues I'm dealing with at home as well.As usual, any comments/help/advice will be greatly appreciated.Regards..Signaller

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Hi Sig

 

What you received yesterday was your annual Notice of Arrears, this is a new must from now on (CCA2006 amendments)

They have to comply with this if they intend to charge interest, so completely separate to your Set a Side.

 

Very confusing also considering they have a judgment perhaps they think they have to comply if they intend to charge post Judgment interest?

 

Ok a Default Notice is a notice of breach within an agreement which is usually applied after missing 2/3 months payments.The DN must be furnished and allow you opportunity to rectify any breach within 14 days.It must also be issued if they intend to terminate the agreement and commence litigation.

Some DN,s can also be a Termination Notice also ( ie we intend to terminate this account on or after xx xxx xxx usually after the 14 days) typed with in the DN

some creditors issue a separate Termination Notice after the DN.

 

Update when you receive the paperwork from Court.

 

Regards

 

Andy

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