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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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After spending lots of time on the forum I sent my bank a request for our CCA in relation to a large business loan. Our company went into receivership due to a large bluechip client continually paying late. I have been requesting the loan agreement since January and sent the CCA request as a last resort. Now i suspect they have no loan agreement but they have responded saying they are not in default as the CCA does not apply to limited companies!

 

Is there alternative legislation that does cover ltd company? surley they cant enforce a loan without an agreement.

 

Many thanks..Llew

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Hi Llewelynlad,

 

Welcome to CAG

 

May you could give the ICO a ring Data Protection and Freedom of Information Advice - Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), they will tell you how to obtain the information you seek.

I know individuals can send SAR requests with £10, but not sure if it applies to companies.

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Amex are chasing me for money, which i dispute i owe. They passed it on to Newmans. I sent the CCA request (to Newmans) which they defualted on. I sent the defualt notice to Newmans. Amex have now passed the account to AIC. I have expalined to a rather snotty woman the stage the account is at, ie the defualt. She is speaking to Amex.

 

Whats is my next step.SurleyAmex know about the default as Newmans have given up?

 

Regards

 

Llew

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Amexlink3.gif are chasing me for money, which i dispute i owe. They passed it on to Newmans. I sent the CCA request (to Newmans) which they defualted on. I sent the defualt notice to Newmans. Amex have now passed the account to AIC. I have expalined to a rather snotty woman the stage the account is at, ie the defualt. She is speaking to Amex.

 

Whats is my next step.SurleyAmex know about the default as Newmans have given up?

 

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Llew

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Hi,

I would be sending AIC letter 17 from here:

 

The Consumer Forums - Debt collectors

 

 

 

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Oh well, refuse to go through security with them, they then cannot continue the call and they will eventually write to you. You can then hit them with the letter

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Next step? Stop talking to them, their DCAs, their "solicitors" - you need a paper trail.

 

A CCA request direct to Amex might focus their attention a little - if they have no agreement then you can formally default them and make them look alittle more daft should they then pass it out to yet more DCAs.

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Hi,

I would be sending AIC letter 17 from here:

 

The Consumer Forums - Debt collectors

 

 

 

and STAY OFF THE PHONE :D (unless you are recording the call)

 

Fully agree never talk to these muppets on the phone, best thing is to change your phone number, make it ex directory and be really careful who you give it to.

The phone companies always try to charge, but :smile:if you've been getting "obscene" phone calls they waive the charge.

Amex do give up eventually, but they are hardwork.

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Hi

 

Further to past posts Amex have refered the case back to newmans who are threatning court action. Even though Amex and Newman eventually sent the CCA they are still in defualt as it diddnt arrive in the required time? They also di not send supporting related documents.

 

Am i correct in assuming that the debt is still un enforceable due to the defualt, even though they sent it late...very late?

 

Tim

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It doesn't matter that they produced the agreement after the prescribed time. All that stopped them doing was chasing for repayment. Once the agreement was supplied they could restart chasing however, they haven't fully complied by not sending you a statement of account.

 

What is needed now is a view of the agreement to see if it is a "good un" or not

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Hello everyone

Time to resurrect my Amex thread.

My Amex credit card was used by my company which is now wound up! Amex say the debt is mine and Newmans are dealing with it. I have had the CCA and I have disputed the debt on the grounds that the agreement is

A) an application form and B) clearly states that the application is for “my company Ltd” signed by me.

Amex have said that they have considered the dispute but still insist its my personal debt. Newmans have threatened to SD me now.

I think the agreement (application) is not enforceable, even though it has the prescribed terms on it. It does not say it’s a personal debt nay where and the T &C were never sent to me (only sent them after I requested the CCA)

Also I have never seen a notice of assignation from Newmans.

Any chance of me posting a copy of the agreement for someone to look at before I respond to Newmans

Kindest regards..llewelynlad

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