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    • thread tidied. new thread for the court claim is here  
    • new thread created for this claimform please post here now for anything to do with it now . pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northampton  Name of the Claimant ? lowell Solicitors : Overdales solicitors  How many defendant's  joint or self ? Self Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to.  13 may 2024 What is the claim for – the reason they have issued the claim? 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ?   Not to my knowledge. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online but it was for a smaller amount they kept on increasing this with me asking Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. It was assigned to a debt collection agency  Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? yes  Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes I also made offers to pay original creditor a smaller amount but was not replied to Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? No Why did you cease payments? I was made redundant and got a less paid job I also spent some time on furlough during covid and spent some 3 months on ssp off work. What was the date of your last payment? May 2021 Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes at the time I communicated with all my creditor's that I was running out of funds to pay the original agreements once my redundancy money ran out that was when my accounts defaulted. I then wrote to all my creditor's with pro rata offers of payments but debt collectors took over the accounts.
    • Just an update for all. I received about a letter every other week, increasing in threat levels. Then I hadn't had one for a about two weeks, then Saturday received a carbon copy of the very first letter they sent me in February. Made me laugh, rinse and repeat. 
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Sorry, I think I have confused things a bit, the account is still open because i stopped payin them last year, they then passed this on to Moorcroft, I cca them, they sent the usural letter sayin they have sent it to there client, then after a while I received a letter saying there client did not reply to the request and they have passed the account back to them, I then called Lloyds who said they don't keep them after 6 years, they have now got SCM solicitors writing to me, so I sent them a bemused letter saying that I don't owe Lloyds anything as they have not replied to my cca request. Sorry about the confusion.

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Sorry, I think I have confused things a bit, the account is still open because i stopped payin them last year, they then passed this on to Moorcroft, I cca them, they sent the usural letter sayin they have sent it to there client, then after a while I received a letter saying there client did not reply to the request and they have passed the account back to them, I then called Lloyds who said they don't keep them after 6 years, they have now got SCM solicitors writing to me, so I sent them a bemused letter saying that I don't owe Lloyds anything as they have not replied to my cca request. Sorry about the confusion.

 

I have a feeling that Lloyds don't keep them for long. If you've had this for a while then you could be lucky. My own dates back to about 2000 and I've been having problems with them since 2005. I haven't paid them for 2 years and the last correspondence I had - about 9 months ago - offered me a 50% discount. I've just written and offered them 5% just to get it cleared.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Hi Fred, my account was opened in 2001 ( credit card ) I'm not sure what sort of reply i'm going to get from SCM solicitors, because I have not dealt with anything like this before.

 

 

I haven't dealt with them either. Just post up what you get and see what happens.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Ive got a cca from early 98 which was shock horror enforceable but ive seen others more recently that are not, and they sent statements back to 99.

This was a live account though and the photo copy in the SAR was slightly differently scanned to the cca request which does suggest to me its an individual scan of an original rather than just a scan lifted off the system.

Lloyds seem 1 of the more organised banks(in my my personal opinion anyway). Pitty they couldnt organise there own finances better though:p

Saying that most creditors do seem to come up with a copy of the agreement its just a matter of whether its actually any good or not.

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When I spoke to the person on the phone from Lloyds they said that they could see that there was a cca request but they don't hold them that far back, they said they only hold them for 6 years, BUT (dont laugh) they said I could go into my local branch and fill in another one!

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Ive got a cca from early 98 which was shock horror enforceable but ive seen others more recently that are not, and they sent statements back to 99.

This was a live account though and the photo copy in the SAR was slightly differently scanned to the cca request which does suggest to me its an individual scan of an original rather than just a scan lifted off the system.

Lloyds seem 1 of the more organised banks(in my my personal opinion anyway). Pitty they couldnt organise there own finances better though:p

Saying that most creditors do seem to come up with a copy of the agreement its just a matter of whether its actually any good or not.

 

In fairness to Lloyds, I think they were one of the better organised banks until McBroon pressured them into buying the Halifax. Unfortunately for Lloyds, the due diligence wasn't diligent enough.

 

Fred

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Exactly Correct!

 

This raises another interesting point though, which I have mentioned before. If they only keep data for 6 years and the account is older than that, how do they prove what the balance was at 6 years - 1 day?

 

Fred

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This raises another interesting point though, which I have mentioned before. If they only keep data for 6 years and the account is older than that, how do they prove what the balance was at 6 years - 1 day?

 

Fred

 

They are required by law to keep them for 6 years after account is CLOSED

Why would they need to prove what a balance was 1 day after it closed.;-):D

I have no legal training, any knowledge I have has come from this forum, and my own experiences. Always balance up any advice you get with your own common sense.

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They are required by law to keep them for 6 years after account is CLOSED

Why would they need to prove what a balance was 1 day after it closed.;-):D

 

But I'm fairly certain that some of them only keep details for 6 years even when the account is ongoing - in fact, I think I have this situation on one of my accounts - I will try and find it.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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A lot of lenders created real problems for themselves in the past because of their own innate greed. They had 'agreements' drawn up by para-legals who were not qualified in contract law hence the plethora of 'agreements' which don't conform to CCA 1974, add to that their unwillingness to invest in storage facilities for the hard copies hence the introduction of electronic storage of microfiche images. The main problem with the latter is that in the majority of cases these images were created either by untrained or totally inept employees who really didn't know how to create images hence the poor and usually unreadable reproductions + the fact that they either couldn't be bothered or forgot to copy the reverse of these documents, which of course has now led to so many reconstructed reproductions.

 

Of course there are also the natural losses of these agreements where they have been badly archived, misplaced or just destroyed because the afore mentioned paralegals didn't attend the lectures which covered the Data Protection Act & the Money Laundering Act. ;):D

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But I'm fairly certain that some of them only keep details for 6 years even when the account is ongoing - in fact, I think I have this situation on one of my accounts - I will try and find it.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

 

HSBC also only keep agreements for 6 years.

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Just a cautionary note, we had a cc with no CCA and we were offered big discounts etc, because they said that they didn't keep agreements we carried on battling. [problem] huffed and puffed and took us to court where we met a rotweiller and lost.

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Just a cautionary note, we had a cc with no CCA and we were offered big discounts etc, because they said that they didn't keep agreements we carried on battling. [problem] huffed and puffed and took us to court where we met a rotweiller and lost.

 

what happened for you to lose where there was no cca?

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what happened for you to lose where there was no cca?

 

i guess then that they found an enforceable cca at the last minute? (it wasn't clear from your post!)

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Hi all I put a tread on here earlier, and this may be a silly question, but can a credit card company, use your statement instead of a Credit agreement?

If someone could give me some advice it would be great.

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would be better if you stuck to one thread.

 

you might have received a statement of account which is PART of the cca reply & not the actual CCA back yet.

 

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Hi all could do with some advice on this credit agreementSCM solictors have sent me from Lloyds dated 2000.

 

Yes it has my signiture on it and dated and signed by them, But there is no terms and conditions ( does it have to have them?) some help needed as they have given me until June or they will take legal action.

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