Pseudo bailiffs, wannabes and downright liars on this forum

[RaeUK]

This really is one of the most idiotic hate filled posts to grace this forum...

 

I didn't think your post that 'hate filled' HCE! Think you might've meant 'thread' :grin:

 

But you highlight your own problem. Anyone in your industry, regardless of variation, is swimming against the current by posting here. As you know, so many people have been hurt by the Enforcement Agency business that the dislike for them is now quite palpable. I am not in the least surprised you attract malignant posts.

Any person in your trade who wishes to post on a self-help forum for the victims of your industry must, by definition be thick skinned. And, if they wish to give true unbiased advice, they need also to be an exceptional humanitarian by nature. A rare find indeed.

I would strongly recommend that you resist the urge to rise to the bait and, instead, understand and appreciate where this hatred is coming from and why.

I remain one of those who, despite adverse experiences, appreciate the view from 'the other side'. I just wish you wouldn't demean yourself with other postings...

Rae.

[High Court Enforcer]

Copied from my previous post but its suits this thread better:-

 

Op asks for help in sorting out a car issue, and 2 apparant bailiffs are viewing ready to offer advice. Should be easy then. but no. If I was them, it would be a fairly long definitive concise answer, in fact I would be able to end the thread. But no, because the truth is, neither High school or Twonames can really give the definitive answers required because they don't really know, (by their own admission)

 

Here we have High school, searching this forum day and night for tips, hints and legal advice on how to carry out his day to day job, but in truth, he hasn't pis*ed off enough people during the day so he has to find an additional vent.

 

..hoping that his gravy train career isn't about to come to an abrupt halt when the MOJ change the rules, hoping that some case against a bailiff isn't about to set a precedent, and clinging on to what he thinks is right or wrong but is unsure and lacks confidence, but in essence, as we all know, most of what he does is loosely made up on the day, to fit. Exactly the reason SHERBROOK visits here. (aka Clare Sandbrook, ceo of sherforce)

 

High school. I still ask what the hell are you doing on here?

 

You must have a sick, twisted perversion to 'advise' those you unlawfully prey on. How freakin weird.. Akin to the guilty man 'assisting' the authorities in their enquiries before he himself is arrested and found guilty of the crime.

 

:lol: DB :lol:

Edited January 23, 2010 by High Court Enforcer

[High Court Enforcer]

I didn't think your post that 'hate filled' HCE! Think you might've meant 'thread' :grin:

 

But you highlight your own problem. Anyone in your industry, regardless of variation, is swimming against the current by posting here. As you know, so many people have been hurt by the Enforcement Agency business that the dislike for them is now quite palpable. I am not in the least surprised you attract malignant posts.

Any person in your trade who wishes to post on a self-help forum for the victims of your industry must, by definition be thick skinned. And, if they wish to give true unbiased advice, they need also to be an exceptional humanitarian by nature. A rare find indeed.

I would strongly recommend that you resist the urge to rise to the bait and, instead, understand and appreciate where this hatred is coming from and why.

I remain one of those who, despite adverse experiences, appreciate the view from 'the other side'. I just wish you wouldn't demean yourself with other postings...

Rae.

 

Kelcou, you are one of few on this forum, site team now included it would appear, that feels this way.

 

I've said this before, but I started posting on ths site because so much rubbish was being posted about something I know a lot about.

 

Sorry if you feel I've let you down, but you've only got to read through this post to see the idiots you are associating yourself with.

 

Ian Huntley? Fluffy was right.

 

It just goes to show the kind of mentallity you are dealing with on here occasionally....

 

This isnt aimed at all. TT, PT and even HW are excluded.

Edited January 23, 2010 by High Court Enforcer

[hallowitch]

I don't do hate filled posts i prefer to keep a dignified silence

[RaeUK]

HCE, fortunately the 'Ian Huntley' comment was removed before I could see it. Having been a victim of that also I am quite relieved.

It's a difficult area - I have to bear in mind I'm relatively new here and do not know CAGs rich history - but I personally feel people like yourself have a point to put across and should be allowed to do so.

However, the problem is how you post. It needs to be clean, quick, clinical and factually illustrative. Personal observations are dangerous as they can be misconstrued. And then used against you. That, I'm afraid, is human nature.

I understand why you feel the need to have a dig back at those who snap at your heels - human nature again - but it does you no good. It simply tarnishes peoples view and gives more fuel to those who must attack irrespectively.

Whilst I appreciate true Christian values are a little thin on the ground these days [i say that, and I'm not a Christian per se. Doh!] but the advice of 'turn the other cheek' would serve you well...

Rae.

Edited January 23, 2010 by RaeUK
tie poo

[wonkeydonkey]

Since neither you or Fluffy have never started a thread on this site you obviously do not have a problem that needs advice from caggers neither of you have ever offered any advice from which a needy cagger could draw courage, all your posts have been negative so I ask the same questions of you that I asked fluffy and received no reply to.

What draws you to this site? What interest does it hold for you?

 

wd

[High Court Enforcer]

That's a very fair and proportioned response and I shall try to heed your knowledgable advice, difficult as it may be sometimes. HCE

Edited January 29, 2010 by High Court Enforcer
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[High Court Enforcer]

Since neither you or Fluffy have never started a thread on this site you obviously do not have a problem that needs advice from caggers neither of you have ever offered any advice from which a needy cagger could draw courage, all your posts have been negative so I ask the same questions of you that I asked fluffy and received no reply to.

What draws you to this site? What interest does it hold for you?

 

wd

 

WD, you are wrong. Whilst I may not give posters pats on the back and love and hugs, when it comes to aspects of law I have given much advice in an industry I know.

 

Many posters on here have previously given so much incorrect advice regarding various methods of enforcement I felt a need to correct them.

 

I shall start a thread if it makes you happy, but it is not neccessary.

[wonkeydonkey]

You have offered explanation to the critism but you have not replied to the questions?

 

wd

[High Court Enforcer]

Which questions? There is nothing but hatred, stupidity and abuse in this thread.

[MARTIN3030]

WD, you are wrong. Whilst I may not give posters pats on the back and love and hugs, when it comes to aspects of law I have given much advice in an industry I know.

 

Many posters on here have previously given so much incorrect advice regarding various methods of enforcement I felt a need to correct them.

 

I shall start a thread if it makes you happy, but it is not neccessary.

 

 

HCEO can you give examples of the incorrect advice and your take on the reality ?

[seanamarts]

This really is one of the most idiotic hate filled posts to grace this forum.

 

The main protaganists (sh, dpb, sm) cannot see past their immature hate filled eyes.

 

I would ask each and every one of you to read through my posts (if you can understand them) and take in the advice and knowledge that I have given this forum, especially in HCE.

 

Brilliantly laughable, all of you.

 

Love to all.....

The main protagonists

 

 

Am I presuming that the 'SM' is myself. If so this is how I am going to respond to your 'name calling'.

firstly I have NEVER been disrespectful to any one on this forum. Yes I do have a personal hatred for the bailiff industry and rightly so, and if you have ever bothered reading my story of what happened to me by a bailiff who was 'certificated' certified what ever, then you would understand why I dislike people like you because of the industry you work in, nothing personal im sure. And if it ever happened to your partner, daughter or mother then I know you would feel the same.

For your information in case you havnt read my story I will bring yo up to date.

I am of small stature, 5ft 3. Female, and in my early 40's I suffer with Multiple sclerosis 2nd stage. (thats relapse remitting) in case you didnt know. I also had a major stroke in my early 30's which has left me weakened down my left side, I have a heart condition and also suffer with TIA's (mini strokes).

I was getting over a relapse of my condition when a bailiff turned up, I was in bed when he knocked, so was in my dressing gown. He could quite clearly see that I was unwell, he was told I was disabled because he asked me what income i had coming in so that I could pay him, he took no notice of me when I told him I had no idea what he was talking about when he demanded that I pay him for a parking ticket that I was led to believe was being sorted out with the council, but instead of contacting them to find out whether I was telling the truth or not he forced his way into my home so that he could take my belongings for this debt, whilst doing so my hand and foot was injured, he grabbed me by the neck and pulled me trying to stop me from getting into my flat so that I could stop him. I saw no warrant, i saw no ID, and I had no idea of what was going on or even if he was who he said he was. I managed to stop him from getting into my flat by wedging myself between a door and wall, whilst he carried on pushing against it, and because I would not let him in he called the police stating I had assaulted him. when they came I was told I was going to be arrested even though I was bleeding from my hand and foot and shaking uncontrollably and started to have difficulty breathing. The bailiff then decided that he didnt want to press charges and that he would get in contact with the council in the morning. Funny how he found out that I was telling the truth and that the council HAD made a mistake. I was left with a 10 inch bruise to my thigh, bruising round my neck, two of my fingers badly cut and bruised and a gash on my foot where he had pushed the door open on it, I had to be taken to hospital.

This is the good bit, when it went to court he stood on the stand and admitted to the Judge that he did not see what the problem was as he had been taught that this is how he should carry out his warrants and no one had complained before about it. The Judge was shocked and was ready to take his certificate away from him. Now HCE this is how hateful I am, I told the Judge that I didnt want her to do this, I wanted him to keep his certificate and learn by this and hoped he did learn that what he was doing was wrong and that he could pass this on to other bailiffs who had been doing the same so that these warrants could be carried out in a correct manner.

The Judge made it quite clear to him that if he was bought before her again he would be stripped of his certificate. She did point out that when it was up for renewal that she may not renew it. I have sine found out that he had renewed his certificate in another court. I wonder why.

Two years on and I am just getting over what happened. I have been a virtual prisoner in my home because of the anxiety that I suffer, being afraid to answer the door. I had to move to some where that could accommodate my disability because the stress of it all exasperated my condition. All this because of a mistake and a bailiff who had been taught incorrectly on how to execute a warrant. I DONT want this to happen to any one else, but it does happen and will keep on happening until some one decides it has to stop. Yes I do dislike the bailiffs who bully, threaten, lie and assault people. I have every right to. Am I bitter?? a little, but I will get over it. I will do my best in places like this to help people who are in the same position as me, I have been wrong and have been corrected, I have learnt a lot from this site and no doubt will carry on learning. I will stand up for myself as I wont be bullied or intimidated by the likes of you and sometimes I can be a little outspoken, so what, I am human and will speak out when it I feel the need to. Do your job HCE but do it correctly and while your at it why dont you start teaching the **** that do it wrong how to do it right, instead of coming in here and trying to defend them, because that is how you come across to me.

Edited January 23, 2010 by seanamarts
correction of spelling

[seanamarts]

Which questions? There is nothing but hatred, stupidity and abuse in this thread.

 

And you have been apart of that with your 'stupid remarks' and name calling

You quite often fuel the fire on here with your bitching back biting remarks.

[spamheed]

Which questions? There is nothing but hatred, stupidity and abuse in this thread.

 

 

Hatred doesn't come close to describing my feelings towards bailiffs, whilst there may well be members of your chosen profession who don't bully, lie, cheat, steal or intimidate the vulnerable. I have yet to meet one, so I base my opinion on those I have met and those that I have observed.

 

To be quite honest, I don't know you, have never met you, so cannot form an opinion of you as a person. However, on this forum and at this point in time The group that you claim to be a member of, represent a class of person that is entirely beneath contempt in my eyes.

 

This thread was started by me to ask the likes of you without interfering with anyone elses thread, why you continue to even bother coming onto this forum if all you do is divert and misinform posters with your pointless and pedantic comments, you are neither helpful, nor constructive, making comments such as "these fees look fair to me " in the face of clear evidence to the contrary. This would appear to be pretty "stupid" to me.

 

If this thread is "as stupid" as you state it is, or as full of "stupidity" as you claim it to be, why lower yourself to my standards. Simply fight the urge and don't post

 

Asking you (as an alleged bailiff) to explain why you appear in so many threads on this forum offering incorrect information or affirming that unlawful fees are in fact lawful because the bailiff says they are is somehow classed as abuse on your planet?

Edited January 23, 2010 by spamheed

[reorete]

seanamarts your post brought me to tears hun.. i wish you all the best xxxxx

[seanamarts]

seanamarts your post brought me to tears hun.. i wish you all the best xxxxx

Your very sweet to say that thank you. I was told by an inspector of the police force a few months later, and this really makes me cross, that if it was a normal person off the streets that had done something like this they would most certainly be looking at a prison sentence, and if it was a police officer who had done this the least he would get would be a suspension. what gives the right for a bailiff to do this and get away with it is far beyond me, but they do get away with it because they think they have been given powers to do this:mad:

[ohitsonlyme]

HCE, fortunately the 'Ian Huntley' comment was removed before I could see it. Having been a victim of that also I am quite relieved.

It's a difficult area - I have to bear in mind I'm relatively new here and do not know CAGs rich history - but I personally feel people like yourself have a point to put across and should be allowed to do so.

However, the problem is how you post. It needs to be clean, quick, clinical and factually illustrative. Personal observations are dangerous as they can be misconstrued. And then used against you. That, I'm afraid, is human nature.

I understand why you feel the need to have a dig back at those who snap at your heels - human nature again - but it does you no good. It simply tarnishes peoples view and gives more fuel to those who must attack irrespectively.

Whilst I appreciate true Christian values are a little thin on the ground these days [i say that, and I'm not a Christian per se. Doh!] but the advice of 'turn the other cheek' would serve you well...

Rae.

 

 

 

HEAR HEAR,

 

Rae I will reply to you not to HCE as I read his comments and either think mmm he has a point or simpy ignore him I recommend others to do the same.

HCE cannot be of true value to this site until such a time that he realises it isnt good to antagonise others, Silence and no reply to him is the best route,unless he is both factual and not anagonistic I have asked many times for a meeting or answers to questions that could help many however these pointed questions are never ever answered.

 

IMO It is better to be clear and calm and to fight back with the full extent of the law

SF Beware I am still coming for you !!!!

 

Onlyme and many many more

[seanamarts]

I don't do hate filled posts i prefer to keep a dignified silence

I have no dignity, it was lost when I gave birth to my son in front of 20 student doctors and nurses

[ohitsonlyme]

Hatred doesn't come close to describing my feelings towards bailiffs, whilst there may well be members of your chosen profession who don't bully, lie, cheat, steal or intimidate the vulnerable. I have yet to meet one, so I base my opinion on those I have met and those that I have observed.

 

To be quite honest, I don't know you, have never met you, so cannot form an opinion of you as a person. However, on this forum and at this point in time The group that you claim to be a member of, represent a class of person that is entirely beneath contempt in my eyes.

 

This thread was started by me to ask the likes of you without interfering with anyone elses thread, why you continue to even bother coming onto this forum if all you do is divert and misinform posters with your pointless and pedantic comments, you are neither helpful, nor constructive, making comments such as "these fees look fair to me " in the face of clear evidence to the contrary. This would appear to be pretty "stupid" to me.

 

If this thread is "as stupid" as you state it is, or as full of "stupidity" as you claim it to be, why lower yourself to my standards. Simply fight the urge and don't post

 

Asking you (as an alleged bailiff) to explain why you appear in so many threads on this forum offering incorrect information or affirming that unlawful fees are in fact lawful because the bailiff says they are is somehow classed as abuse on your planet?

 

Sean I hadnt realised of your plight nor history I for one couldnt have turned the other cheek and allowed the bailiff to keep his certificate.

You are ofcourse quite right HCE does make stupid remarks and could certainly learn from your generosity to the other side

 

The answers never come back from HCE especially if he knows his industry are in a corner

 

Onlyme

[seanamarts]

Sean I hadnt realised of your plight nor history I for one couldnt have turned the other cheek and allowed the bailiff to keep his certificate.

You are ofcourse quite right HCE does make stupid remarks and could certainly learn from your generosity to the other side

 

The answers never come back from HCE especially if he knows his industry are in a corner

 

Onlyme

to forgive is a release, to hate and bear a grudge is a bind.

I try and live by that motto as much as I can

[jimbo45]

Hi all

Lets put some sense back into this

 

1) CT is an UNFAIR TAX -- many problems it causes are because the amounts charged are NOT EARNINGS RELATED -- which means people earning 6,000 GBP a year or 600,000 GBP a year can in some circumstances pay the same amount of tax.

 

How that can EVER be described as FAIR by any political party in the UK is beyond me -- but until the law is changed we have to live with it.

 

2) Because of the nature of this tax people get into arrears etc -- it's NOT a crime to get into debt - especially if you get laid off, get divorced so a wage earner is no longer present, someone dies etc etc etc.

 

3) We all agree that there has to be some method of tax collection - but using "Overbloated Night club Bouncers" to go and attempt to hassle people in their own homes AND TO CHARGE EXTORTIONATE NOT PERMITTED FEES is TOTALLY wrong in the 21st century.

 

There must be ZILLIONS of better ways of enforcing tax collection -- certainly a reform of the whole Council Tax system including its collection is long overdue.

 

There is NO case in using basic Play ground Bully tactics to collect the tax.

 

It's time the whole Bailiff system was ended -- and if we must use it EVERY BAILIFF SHOULD CARRY WITH HIM A COPY OF THE PERMITTED FEES.

 

 

Hoping for an END to this inquitious system -- and I really hope "The High Court Enforcer" has to suffer at the hands of some of these ODIOUS and Miserable VERMIN.

 

Cheers

jimbo

[spamheed]

Hi all

Lets put some sense back into this

 

1) CT is an UNFAIR TAX -- many problems it causes are because the amounts charged are NOT EARNINGS RELATED -- which means people earning 6,000 GBP a year or 600,000 GBP a year can in some circumstances pay the same amount of tax. Irrespective of whether CT is fair or unfair, it is the law that this tax should be paid, it isn't the tax that's the problem, it's the method of enforcement and the blanket ignorance of the rules and fees which are applicable

 

How that can EVER be described as FAIR by any political party in the UK is beyond me -- but until the law is changed we have to live with it.

 

2) Because of the nature of this tax people get into arrears etc -- it's NOT a crime to get into debt - especially if you get laid off, get divorced so a wage earner is no longer present, someone dies etc etc etc. Again, it's the method of enforcement that is the problem

 

3) We all agree that there has to be some method of tax collection - but using "Overbloated Night club Bouncers" to go and attempt to hassle people in their own homes AND TO CHARGE EXTORTIONATE NOT PERMITTED FEES is TOTALLY wrong in the 21st century. "Nightclub Bouncers" are not Bailiffs, they do not attend anyones home, nor do they charge anyone for anything. they are paid a set rate by either the venue or the agency who employ them. There simply is no similarity between the two occupations.

There must be ZILLIONS of better ways of enforcing tax collection -- certainly a reform of the whole Council Tax system including its collection is long overdue. It isn't the tax, it's the method of enforcement

 

There is NO case in using basic Play ground Bully tactics to collect the tax.

 

It's time the whole Bailiff system was ended -- and if we must use it EVERY BAILIFF SHOULD CARRY WITH HIM A COPY OF THE PERMITTED FEES. Agreed

 

 

Hoping for an END to this inquitious system -- and I really hope "The High Court Enforcer" has to suffer at the hands of some of these ODIOUS and Miserable VERMIN.

 

Cheers

jimbo

 

 

This isn't about a matter of unfair taxation, it is about the supporting enforcement actions which cause many disputes. people enforcing the unenforceable and using methods and applying charges which are unlawful

[sequenci]

Which questions? There is nothing but hatred, stupidity and abuse in this thread.

 

I work within the debt advice field for one of the biggest charities. Over the years I must have spoken to hundreds, if not thousands of clients who have had issues with bailiffs. Out of all those times I have only ever come across a handful of instances where a bailiff has acted in accordance to the various pieces of legislation and rules that they should be following.

 

Whilst I appreciate the need for bailiffs I really feel that there needs to be a massive overhaul of the entire bailiff process - and I'm talking Distress, Distraint and Execution. For too long bailiffs have been making the lives of ordinary folk an absolute missery via their fragrant breaches of the rules. I know that there are plans to revolutionise certain areas of debt enforcement, I just hope that it goes far enough to help the vulnerable folks who really need it.

 

I'm not going to dismiss the ideas of bailiffs, like it or not they are necessary. We need to try and work out the root cause of why they behave in the way that they do and get that sorted pronto.

[spamheed]

I'm not going to dismiss the ideas of bailiffs, like it or not they are necessary. We need to try and work out the root cause of why they behave in the way that they do and get that sorted pronto.

 

Until a better option is available, then society will always have a need for "big ugly blokes" and I do include myself in this description.

 

However, if there is no restriction as to what actions can and cannot be taken by big ugly blokes, then there are some who will abuse the system or take advantage of loopholes or areas which are not fully covered or legislated. one only needs to look at the recent MPs expenses to see a clear example of people taking advantage of a flawed system.

 

Having someone knocking on your door has long been recognised as an effective form of debt collection, however, when the person at the door is wearing body and dressed for conflict and is doing their level best to kick a hole through the door, and then tries to charge you a couple of hundred for the privilege of having him at your door, then it is time to redress the rules on what doorstep visitors are allowed and not allowed to do

Edited January 23, 2010 by spamheed

[danboy381]

Yes, best to ignore HCE, theres something clearly lacking if he is not getting enough kicks during the day. Cos of his continued appearance on here though it only makes me want to continue the fight harder, so I'll arrange for some more legal action shortly.

Look out, it coming.

Edited January 23, 2010 by danboy381