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By MotherofDragons76 · Posted
I've received this notice to keeper. I work for the NHS and was delayed due to patient care. I park here regular and and have never had any issues. I've looked at the evidence on the portal and other than showing that i entered at 12.59.33 and departed at 17:14:14 it doesn't state how long i overstayed for. I paid for 4 hours parking over the phone which i wont have done till i got parked but as its over the phone i have no receipt or record but it is not possible for me to have been in excess of 15mins from the photos alone but I'm unsure having read other threads whether grace periods are 10 or 15 minutes. I havent appealed yet but and was about to but in appealing i'm showing i'm the driver which i gather is something you state we must never do. I don't like confrontation but £60 seems extortionate. Hope you can help. 🤞 1 Date of the infringement 30th May 2024 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 30th May 2024 [scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s 3 Date received 5th June 2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] No reference to schedule 4 just says"...we the creditor reserve the right to recover unpaid parking charges from the registered keeper in accordance with POFA 2012." 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up NA 7 Who is the parking company? Carpark securities 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Northgate, Halifax Former Dews Car Park HX1 1XJ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS There are two official bodies, the BPA and the IAS. If you are unsure, please check HERE Notice to Keeper.pdf -
By lookinforinfo · Posted
It never seems to amaze me how the chuckleheads think that No Stopping can ever offer a contract when it is prohibitory. In any case you did not accept the contract by entering the land, you entered the land to get to the airport for goodness sake. In most car parks there is a Consideration period that allows motorists to decide whether they want to stay in the car park . Here on a road, there is no consideration period and whether the motorist finds the terms agreeable or not even assuming that they are able to understand that they are being hoodwinked into believing they are being offered a contract they cannot turn back. They have a plane to catch and even if they did turn back because they didn't accept the No Stopping term of the so called contract they would still have had to stop to turn around. Plus there is a question of Frustration of Contract. You had to stop at a pedestrian crossing . -
Just a couple paragraphs their WS that it might be useful to refer to specifically in the OP's WS... Para 6 A contract was formed with "the driver" of the vehicle. Para 8 "The driver" accepted the contract. (The "driver" is not named, or identified anywhere in the WS). Para 7 WHY would there ever be a "no stopping" restriction in a car park? (In Para 10, they specify that it is a "car park"). Para 11 "The Defendant" became liable." Again, they have not shown that the Defendant was "the driver", simply the keeper. Para 20 "It is a matter of agreement"? Not really sure what they're trying to say here... -
Thank you for relying so quickly! That is what I had concluded was the reality of the situation.. I'm still waiting for the call within my time slot.. I will try to fill this thread with more info, find original letters and show the docs of the pack I was sent, a pack with no real covering letter to show what it was in response to or from whom.. -
at this point nothing else really matters. wait for the form to come back theres no need to talk about what's right/wrong if you don't even have PTA bundle directions
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