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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggh hhhhhh!!!!!!!

 

Scottish Power !!!

 

NEVER have any dealings with these charlatans !!

 

 

Basically, was lured into switching my utilities to them last year after all the press and speculation about huge hikes in Gas and elec prices.

 

They promised me a monthly DD of £XX for Duel Fuel (which I have in writing).

 

I provided all the info they needed.

 

They then cocked up the transfer of the gas supply, and informed me they would be amending the DD to £YY ish per month to cover just the elec in meantime whilst it was sorted.

 

Then once gas was sorted, they informed me that DD would actually be £WW per month. Wasn't happy with the change, but as it was only a minimal change was still a saving on last supplier, and decided to continue.

Spoke to them, and they confirmed the DD would now be £WW pcm for duel fuel once gas transferred.

 

Then one day they took both the £YY AND the £WW by DD form my account on same day.. effectively meaning they were double charging me ... and, which also caused another DD to fail (with charges) !!

 

So, furious I cancelled the agreement citing section 1 of the Misrepresentation Act, and that the the contract was rescinded.

 

They didn't like this, and then tried to bill me for cancellation charges (and final bills based upon estimates) !!

 

Got into a bit of a battle with them, by telling them that due to heir own actions the agreement was null and void, and likewise also any provision for cancellation charges.

They're now threatening court, bailiffs etc, despite my offering to pay them any genuine liability based upon true usage (but no more, and no charges).

 

Short of it is, that I've now threatened them with court action also.

 

Basis of claim will be CPUTR08 offences (luring me into a deal under false pretenses etc) and Misrep. etc.

 

The crazy thing is, the difference in what I've offered compared to what they claim is only about £50.... which some muggins may have just paid from the off in order to get them off their backs.

But I'm not prepared to let them get away with this, as doing so gives them carte blanche to treat all customers same way, and this means millions in unlawful gains for them.

 

They've also registered defaults on my credit file, so another reason why I need to go to court.

 

They've committed so many offences relating to their obligations to handle matters too.

 

Sorry to ramble...... but they've just made me soooooooooo ANGRY !!

 

 

Photoman

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Hi Photoman, I too think Scottish Power are a disgrace and think what they have done (above) is reprehensible.

 

I think it will be quite fitting if you use the DURKIN case to claim damages from Scottish Power for the default . That would have a nice ring of schadenfreude about it don't you think?

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For anyone interested, here's what I've done so far regards a POC.

 

 

POC REMOVED WHILST LITIGATION IN PROCESS.

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Hi Photoman, I too think Scottish Power are a disgrace and think what they have done (above) is reprehensible.

 

I think it will be quite fitting if you use the DURKIN case to claim damages from Scottish Power for the default . That would have a nice ring of schadenfreude about it don't you think?

 

 

I certainly DO plan to apply for damages here !!

 

This is not just my venting my spleen and spending hours dealing with this just to end up back where I started.... yet having wasted lots of valuable hours of my life !!

 

 

 

Please tell me a bit about Durkin ?

 

Links etc too if poss ?

 

 

I also recall that there is a limit of £1000 for a claim for dmages in Small Claims track.

 

Anyone know anything more about this ?

 

Thanks

 

 

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Not sure if the £1k is rigid.

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Guys,

 

Some advice here please ?

 

Have now done a POC for claim against SP.

 

Now about to fill in N1.

 

However, as my claim includes a claim for damages/compensation which I have not specified a sum for.

ie: I have indicated that this should be for the court should decide dependent upon remedies available etc.

 

What do I put in the boxes for "Amount claimed" & "Total" ??

 

Can I put something like TBA or such ?

 

Or should I amend my POC, and put in an actual claim sum ?

 

 

Any thoughts or advice here ?

 

 

PM

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If I were to submit a specific amount for compensation I am thinking of adding something along the lines of:

 

1/ In King v British Linen and Co (1897) the loss to credit rating was valued at £100 where no specific damage could be shown. In 2009, this figure equates to over £9,975 (2008 estimate).


 

2/ In Wilson v United Counties Bank (1919) the award was £7,500 which would translate as over £17,000 with a current price index.


 

3/ In Richard Durkin v DSG Retail and HFC Bank (2007) provides a more recent guide with regards to the damage suffered as a result of a default and the claimant was awarded £8,000 plus an additional sum for the loss suffered in not being able to use credit in a normal manner.


 

 

 

 

Any thoughts ???

 

 

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If you leave it to the Court's discretion, then the court should issue it an "unspecified amount" claim.

 

If you are intending to add a clause like 4/ (above) then you should be mindful of the limits to keep the claim in SCT as if it goes fast track, then all bets are off as far as costs are concerned.

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If you leave it to the Court's discretion, then the court should issue it an "unspecified amount" claim.

 

If you are intending to add a clause like 4/ (above) then you should be mindful of the limits to keep the claim in SCT as if it goes fast track, then all bets are off as far as costs are concerned.

 

Thanks Alpha,

 

The SCT limit is normally £5k, so if I specify such it should keep it within SCT.

 

However, as we all know, other factors are taken into consideration when courts come to allocate track; complexity of claim, etc.

 

I could even just submit for just £500 and still find the court allocates to Fast if it thinks the claim is complex or contentious.

 

So, I may as well submit for the top level of SCT at £5k on the presumption and hope it does go SCT, and then when it comes to AQ time also submit a plea for SCT with draft directions.

 

Thanks

 

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Hi all,

 

Okay, I filed my claim against Scot Power last week, and should be receiving confirmation of service anytime soon.

In the meantime I have received 2 more nasty letters from their hounds threatening court action. The last was headed "final notice".

 

Any suggestions on how to deal with these ?

 

ie: If I've already filed a claim regards such sums, can they also file a claim ?

My belief is that if the sums are already a matter of litigation on my behalf, then surely they cannot also file a claim?

 

Should I:

 

1/ Inform their DCA that the sums are already a matter of a court action, so they cannot file a claim regards the same sums (if so, should I do this by phone or by writing)?

 

2/ Wait, for them to file a claim, and then submit a defence citing my own claim ( I should also have a claim reference number by then)?

 

3/ Wait for them to file a claim, and then apply to the court to have both matters heard at the same time (if so, what is procedure, is it a standard form, perhaps an N244) ?

 

4/ Do nothing, then hope that my own claim gets allocated first, and then at such time bring up the matter of their own claim, citing their further behaviour at filing a claim whilst the matter was already a subject of litigation as being retaliatory/unlawful ?

 

 

Any suggestions anyone ??

 

Please !!

 

 

PM

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Usually you would add in the totals box on the claim form

"I do not know the total value of the claim but it is less than £5000."

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1.They would need to address anything that you owe them by way of counterclaim.It is possible that this is what they may do.

 

2.Its unlikely that they would file a claim-utility companies almost always sell on the debt eventually.

 

3.I think you should just wait for their acknowledgement of service.

 

IMHO they wont be too keen to want to go all the way with this,you have certainly done your homework and they know it.

 

Nothing wrong with sending them a letter (their legal teams contact details will be on the ack of service)

and giving your proposals for settlement save further Court time and costs.

 

Its a good idea to do this early since if they know that they have a possibility to think about settling BEFORE having to submit a defence,then in some ways its favourable to them-because they dont have to show their cards.

 

What you need to establish,is whether there is any interest from them to settle-if so then you will need to give them an undertaking that you wont be seeking judgement if they fail to submit a defence,as long as settlement discussions remain ongoing.

 

This simply means writing to the Court manager saying that you agree to an extension of the timescale for the defendants defence,to allow settlement didcussions to continue.

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Just when did energy companies start entering information to the CRAs and when where and how has anyone given their permission for them to do this?

 

We had a claim from a DCA acting for pwoergen who said we still owed them £90 from about five years ago. Never checked to see if any adverse remarks.

We said prove it BTW and they couldn't. We're sure we didn't owe them anything at all. They went away.

 

Shocking PM they need sorting after all another group of corporates ripping off the public.

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This simply means writing to the Court manager saying that you agree to an extension of the timescale for the defendants defence,to allow settlement didcussions to continue.

 

CPR 15.5(2) requires that any agreement between the parties to extend the time for filing a defence must be notified to the court by the defendant.

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Yes I know I did not say it wasnt a requirement.

Where did I say that it had to be PM ?????????????

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Well now I have clarified.

In any event,Ultimately it is at the discretion of the court.

The other side is hardly likely to cite breach of CPR when it is initiated by an action which favours them.

My suggestion was also on the assumption that the deadline for the defence is due,or else fast approaching.

 

If settlement was agreed within the interim the defence becoming due,then it would mean filing a notice of discontinuence.

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WOW !!

 

Thanks guys.... you've all been so busy in my absence..... I really wasn't expecting so many replies !

 

Thanks !!

 

 

 

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PM.

I think there is a gameplan but that we should not go into the bare bones of it here.

I know CAG policy of dealing by PM and its not something thats encouraged,but there are times when its needed.

We are talking of stuff here that is treading on new ground insofar as CAG is concerned-that is to say,you would be hard pressed to find a case identical to this on a CAG search with Scottish power.

 

I have therefore sent you a Pm.

I am sure that CAG subscibers to this thread will understand that.

You can of course progress things here which are safe to do at this stage.

And ultimately give a full blown account of those things kept QT for the moment...later.

 

It makes sense to me,and I hope anyone else reading.

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PM.

I think there is a gameplan but that we should not go into the bare bones of it here.

I know CAG policy of dealing by PM and its not something thats encouraged,but there are times when its needed.

We are talking of stuff here that is treading on new ground insofar as CAG is concerned-that is to say,you would be hard pressed to find a case identical to this on a CAG search with Scottish power.

 

I have therefore sent you a Pm.

I am sure that CAG subscibers to this thread will understand that.

You can of course progress things here which are safe to do at this stage.

And ultimately give a full blown account of those things kept QT for the moment...later.

 

It makes sense to me,and I hope anyone else reading.

 

THANKS,

 

I have temporarily removed the POC and anything which may possibly identify me from this thread.

 

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