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    • Yes you should take this view, but this is nothing to worry about you will be fine. you have a very well edited WX im sure although I haven't actually looked at it because I can't seem to work out which one is the new one anymore, although I do remember something previously. however if i remember it right its just a lost parcel via packlink and no insurance which frankly is pretty straightforward and should be a copy of farooq v evri. Have I understood the case right? Please tell me if not as there is rather a lot on this forum
    • well in every other thread advocate or not evri always send a cpr27.9 because they never turn up. I don't think we've seen a thread here without one. Maybe @BankFodder can tell me if i've missed one, but all of the ones I can remember there has been a cpr 27.9 notice even when an advocate has attended and from my own knowledge also I've always had CPR 27.9 advocate or not. I dont think there is a single thread on this forum where evri have shown up themselves and similarly I don't think there is a single thread where they dont send notice (aside from this)
    • OK, thanks.  Jake Burgess is well known to us - and well despised. Friday would be great as then there would be the weekend to tweak things. 👍
    • Thanks FTMDave.  VCS's WS was from Jake Burgess.  I will draft my WS and share with copies of court order, and VCS's exhibits asap.  I'm away tomorrow so more likely Friday.  Thanks again for the advice   
    • Thanks. Time to move on this. 1.  You need to tweak the magnificent WS that dx suggested.  Adapt it to your case.  It should take you about half an hour (I recently wrote a WS from scratch during a train journey which wasn't optimum 😂 with lots of cross referencing and it took me an hour an half, you have one already cooked thanks to dx). 2.  We will add bits to ridicule VCS's WS - it's rich that they moan about your defence being standard when their Particulars of Claim are too and also include the rubbish about keeper/driver that has been criticised numerous times by the courts. 3.  Who wrote their WS?  Was it Mohammed Wali or Ambreen Arshad or have they got someone new? 4.  We need to see a good chunk of VCS's exhibits.  I don't get why we have to keep asking you for things rather than them being volunteered.  Isn't it obvious that we can't help you compile a decent WS if we can't see what the other side is arguing?  All their silly signs aren't needed, but any contract with the landowner is important as are all the photos of your vehicle. 5.  You've never shown us the court order which fixes the hearing date.  It should be obvious we need to see what the court has ordered.  This is the second time we've asked. 6.  VCS were using Elms Legal.  Are Elms Legal still involved? 
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okay so i been after a steam account for some time, and i brought one of someone from msn, and seems they have taken it back...

 

paypal said

Dear **aargh**,

 

Thank you for contacting PayPal in relation to the recent transactions on

your account.

 

**aargh** I have reviewed your account and would like to advise you that even

if this payment had been sent as an Instant Transfer we would not be able

to investigate it as the item is intangible. We are unable to investigate

claims involving Virtual or Intangible items. Because of this, PayPal

cannot take any action on either account at this time. For future

reference, however, your claim has been noted in the seller's account.

 

If you would like to read more about our policies, please have a look at

our User Agreement. You can find it by clicking on the 'Legal Agreements'

link at the bottom of any PayPal page.

 

 

 

I do understand your frustration regarding this matter and regret any

inconvenience it might have caused you.

 

Yours sincerely,

Rachel

Resolution Services Department

PayPal, an eBay Company

 

now they must have more complaints about this to even add my complaint to this users account, he must get allow of emails about him to paypal..

 

now they said nothing they can do virtual item.. but sorry isnt [causing problems] someone illegal? if i brought something online i didnt recieve.. i would contact my bank if i paid via debit/credit card, but since this is a paypal transation, i would complaint agaisnt paypal, there doesnt seem to be any buyer protection, only seller protection??

 

anyone know of any loophole or anything i can do to get through to them that these kind of things cant continue...

 

thanks for your help..

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Simple - don't use them!

 

Thousands seem to have already deserted them, not to mention their sister eBay. They wouldn't listen to their customers so they must pay by way of no business. Sadly when they open their ears & minds, it may be too late.

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Any knowledge I possess or advice I proffer is based solely on my experiences in the University of Life. Please make your own assessment of legality, risks & costs before taking any action.

 

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Simple - don't use them!

 

Thousands seem to have already deserted them, not to mention their sister eBay. They wouldn't listen to their customers so they must pay by way of no business. Sadly when they open their ears & minds, it may be too late.

 

Seconded, so true!

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I wont be using Paypal or Ebay again either - see my post.

They will not release £109 that is being held in my Paypal account until I "update" my bank details.

I decided to check this out and if you scroll down the many pages of their contract, you finally get to the part where it says the "update" is actually a DD mandate that allows them to take their fees instantly.

Now we all know what that means - any disputes, seller rip-offs etc wil be met with even more of a closed door by these crooks, after all, they have their money.

The buyer can go to hell!

 

No thanks Paypal, or Ebay. Ive done with them now. Too sneaky.

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Paypal have never been happy with intangible goods - but since you bought in god faith, surely your complaint is with the vendor and their tricks, rather than PP who were simply passing on the money you wanted to pay the seller?

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okay so i been after a steam account for some time, and i brought one of someone from msn, and seems they have taken it back...

 

Wouldn't it have been easier to just go the Steam website, grab the Steam software and set up an account yourself? I got my Steam bundled in with Half Life 2, but I believe a direct download from their site and the establishing of an account is completely free.

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there doesnt seem to be any buyer protection, only seller protection??

 

You will probably find just as many sellers saying 'there doesn't seem to be any seller protection, only buyer protection' if you go by the threads on here.

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Sometimes I read these threads and start thinking that the group most protected in ebay/paypal transactions isn't sellers, it isn't buyers, it's [problematic].

 

No, I don't seriously hold this opinion. But sometimes my cynical side comes to the fore.

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