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    • Absolutely for the agreement they are referring to.... puts them on notice that this is going to be a uphill fight.   Andy 
    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
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I am VERY angry in being CAGbotted because I posted ONE reply yesterday merely asking that we return to the main topic of this thread.

 

My interest has absolutely nothing to do with claim companies and my interest is solely in the unenforceability cases being stayed.

 

My post got CAGbotted, however the following post BACKING my comment that we should return to the main debate was left in place.

 

I feel insulted & let down in getting CAGbotted simply for asking that we return to the main subject of the thread.

 

Beachcomber60, I've responded to your PM.

 

 

No idea what being CAGbotted means, but neither do I care. ;)

 

I would rather this stays on topic, so I assume a good thing?

 

Been here (lurkin...) a long time and I'm none the wiser.

 

Cagbot is post unapproved or edited or moved. I have no idea how it works ;)

 

Thanks, yourbank.

 

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I was actually Cagbotted myself twice during the process !!

 

Good. Still no idea what it means, but if it happens to the mods as well then that is fair play.;-):D

 

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EDIT: There we go then. :)

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Meaning....as the posts not relating to the original thread were cagbotted and removed to another thread...does that mean all the posts about cagbotting on this thread are now going to be removed too? sorry...my sense of humour:oops::oops:

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Those who have been cagbotted,were not singled out specifically,some inappropriate links were removed and possibly quotes in posts containing those links.

I was actually Cagbotted myself twice during the process !!

 

Me too..and my bum is still aching!! lol ;)

 

I only wish that being Cagbotted was the only thing I had to worry about!! :-(

 

Actually, I thought Chris did a good job of de-tangling the threads even though, being a woman, I am naturally beyond reproach and being a man (as I presume Chris is) then he was obviously wrong!! :p

 

Now, lets get back to business...being off line has really affected me!! :D

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Latest pearls of wisdom from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8037983.stm

 

Not exactly latest. And not exactly wisdom either.:eek::rolleyes:

 

The BBC have finally noticed.

 

BBC NEWS | Business | Judges seek hold on debt claims

 

CAG gets a mention. ;)

 

Sorry. I am a pedant and know it. :oops:

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the BBC couldnt be further from the mark on this subject.

 

anyone wishing to clarify matters, please contact nerys the Court Manager at Chester High Court

 

there is sooo much nonsense, cr@p and other useless info being bandied about at the moment so i prefer to speak to those who actually know rather than journalists who think they know

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the BBC couldnt be further from the mark on this subject

 

Just reading through that report and this thread, proves that point.

 

Hopefully this should (in the end) help consumers. ;)

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i prefer to speak to those who actually know rather than journalists who think they know

 

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the BBC couldnt be further from the mark on this subject.

 

anyone wishing to clarify matters, please contact nerys the Court Manager at Chester High Court

 

there is sooo much nonsense, cr@p and other useless info being bandied about at the moment so i prefer to speak to those who actually know rather than journalists who think they know

 

 

I have a case which was issued against me by MBNA in the Chester County Court.

I spoke to them on Friday and they said a letter was posted to me on Friday informing me of the situation.

Postman has just been but nothing so far

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BBC Radio 4's You & Yours had an article about these claims companies, and the cases being put on hold today. It should be up after 3 PM:

 

BBC - Radio 4 You and Yours - Monday

 

I'm sorry to say it was the usual disinformation and getting the wrong end of the stick as usual :(

 

I wonder how much of the disinformation is getting the wrong end of the stick and how much is deliberate?

Financial institutions are massively important to media companies in terms of advertising revenue and the BBC are the propoganda vehicle of the Government.

Does not take a genius to work out who's side they will be on in this

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The BBC got the Halbert 9WAxxxx document and thats all they were sent, the rest they took from contacts in the industry.

 

 

Judges in England and Wales are considering putting on hold up to 100,000 claims for the cancellation of credit card and other consumer debts.
Estimates vary but up to 100,000 claims may be involved

 

The proposal is to select the cases then stay all other until the test cases have established the requisite principles

 

 

The judiciary is planning to select a few claims for a test case in the High Court to decide the issues involved.

 

The consensus is that the appropriate course is to refer a few carefully selected cases to the Commercial Court in London on a test basis

 

No deadline has been set for any decision on a test case, which will be decided by Lord Justice Moore-Bick, the deputy head of civil justice.

 

 

 

I don't think that can be construed as delibrately misleading any one - it is how it is taken from the letter from Halbert.

 

The only disinformation has been from the CMCs, whether for or against.

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BBC Radio 4's You & Yours had an article about these claims companies, and the cases being put on hold today. It should be up after 3 PM:

 

BBC - Radio 4 You and Yours - Monday

 

I'm sorry to say it was the usual disinformation and getting the wrong end of the stick as usual :(

 

Yes, at the end of the prog. but the primary content was having a pot at the companies who promise you they'll get rid of all your debts - just so long as you pay them trillions first! And that kind of publicity can't be all bad.

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When i first noticed this thread i must of picked up entirely the wrong idea lol.

I got the impression that this judge whatshisname was refering selcted cases to another court in order to get some set criteria in place from thse hearings. Hopefully to enable easy decision making in the CC. I.e speeding everything up. Straight forward script for assessing a CCA ect ect.

 

did i get the wrong idea lol? is this infact some sneaky effort to stitch up the consumer again lol.

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When i first noticed this thread i must of picked up entirely the wrong idea lol.

I got the impression that this judge whatshisname was refering selcted cases to another court in order to get some set criteria in place from thse hearings. Hopefully to enable easy decision making in the CC. I.e speeding everything up. Straight forward script for assessing a CCA ect ect.

 

did i get the wrong idea lol? is this infact some sneaky effort to stitch up the consumer again lol.

 

So much conjecture at the moment, its a tad confusing to be fair mate.

 

Some suggest this Judge is consumer friendly and is only trying to make the mass of cases in the pipeline get through smoother and swifter... others suggest more underhand tactics by banks/government etc.

 

For my money, how can they rattle the consumer now? After precediants set out by Wilson and other case law?

 

It would all be out in the open and it would look bloody bad on the banks and government if they tried to whitewash it all.

 

With the might of the multi million pound claims industry and their own barristers etc... i doubt it will be an easy task for the banks....

 

Ultimately, this will backfire on them.... as soon as the truth is out, there will be a DELUGE of claims.

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