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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Oh, excellent news spam!! I'm delighted for you :):)

 

As Andy says, check with the court, don't trust 'em an inch.

 

Then get them to agree to remove the defaults from your credit file, mark the account satisfied & obtain an offer of compensation for the wrongful entries that have affected your credit rating or tell 'em you'll go for a set aside of the discontinuence, get a judgment in your favour & claim costs!!

 

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You want to go for Judgement also Spam?

 

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oh my Lord. now that's almost sexual.............

 

What have you been eating or drinking today R&B:D

 

Ok normaly you can apply for judgement in your favour if the claim as been struck out.Must admit i have not tried it in a NoD as FG states you would decline and set a side using it as a threat, however heres the letter if you wish to have a go:-

 

I would advise you (on reciept of the order) to make an application (N244) without hearing and at no cost to you.

 

I would suggest something along the following lines

 

In the light of the order of Judge ???? dated ??/??/?? striking out the statement of case of the Claimant, I hereby apply for judgement to be entered against the Claimant.

 

I further apply for defence costs under CPR 27.14(2) of £??.??, which is calculated as follows:

 

 

 

Costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g)

 

I also respectfully ask the court to award costs of £?.?? due to the claimant's unreasonable behaviour in issuing a claim without following pre-action protocols, and their subsequent failure to provide evidence to substantiate their case. I estimate that it has taken me ?? hours to research and prepare my response to their action @ £9.25 per hour, which is a total of £??.??, plus £?.?? which I estimate I have spent on postage, printing and stationery.

 

 

 

He may agree these, he may not - but if you don't ask, you don't get!

 

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oh my Lord. now that's almost sexual.............

Methinks he's been at the wine gums or sniffing the barmaids apron..:rolleyes::p

 

Thank you Andy...I see what you mean now.

 

I'm going to give the court a ring in a mo to see if they've got anything yet and we'll go from there...

 

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What u beeen eating or drinking today R&B:D

i think that may be the problem Andy...not enough!!!!

 

Methinks he's been at the wine gums or sniffing the barmaids apron..:rolleyes::p

id settle for either Spam........oops no that was another life wasnt it;)

 

think id better log off n get some more medication..........

 

well done Spam hope u stick it to em :D

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You must do what you feel comfortable with Spam if its just costs then leave it at that.Im sure you have had enough of this without further prolongment.

 

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Well,

 

Apparently the court haven't received their copy yet so I'll give them a day or so to see if it turns up... Court suggested I ring Mort Clarke... but I'd rather not!!

 

Assuming that the court does get a copy.... what happens about the order for costs that I got awarded at the Set aside if I were to 'win the case'.

 

Will I lose them if I agree to the discontinuence? This may well be a deciding factor in what route I take from here..

 

Help please..

 

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Well,

 

Apparently the court haven't received their copy yet so I'll give them a day or so to see if it turns up... Court suggested I ring Mort Clarke... but I'd rather not!!

 

Assuming that the court does get a copy.... what happens about the order for costs that I got awarded at the Set aside if I were to 'win the case'. Not if you bargain with them in your acceptance.You want costs and any adverse information removed or you will set a side and apply for judgement in the matter along with costs-get the picture Spam?

Will I lose them if I agree to the discontinuence? This may well be a deciding factor in what route I take from here..

 

Help please..

 

Thanks, Spam. :)

 

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Thanks Andy...

 

One last question.. (Yeah right:rolleyes:)

 

If I agree to the discontinuence to this claim, could they then make another one at a later date and/ or still come after me for payments as the agreement hasn't yet been judged 'unenforceable'?

 

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Thanks Andy...

 

One last question.. (Yeah right:rolleyes:)

 

If I agree to the discontinuence to this claim, could they then make another one at a later date and/ or still come after me for payments as the agreement hasn't yet been judged 'unenforceable'?

 

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In a word yes providing they have the Courts permission which would be difficuilt.That why I gave you the option to seek Judgement in your favour then they cant.

Alternativly you can request that in your acceptance and agreement that they put it in writing that the case is now dead and no comebacks.

 

How do you want to play it?

 

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How do you want to play it?

 

Think I'm gonna have to sleep on this one..

 

I don't want it coming back and biting me on the bum at a later date and I know I have a very strong defence, so I would love to see Marlin squirm .... but it would also be nice to let it drop now...

 

Decisions decisions... not good at them.. :rolleyes:... I shall make a pros and cons list and then toss a coin ;) (if I can find one)

 

Thanks again Andy,

 

I'll let you know as soon as I do!

 

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Just putting my 2p in FWIW (& completely non-sexual r&b! :D)

 

I am guessing from you above comments that you really don't want to pursue the legal route if you can avoid it, so I would suggest the following options in order of what I would favour:

 

1. Write to MC with a proposal along the lines of what I suggested in Post 324 (& incl. the costs for the set aside) stating what you are willing to settle for in return for not applying for a set aside of the discontinuance but you require a written acceptance of their agreement to such (I'll help you with the letter if you need help). Carefully worded, this would prevent them attempting to start proceedings at a later date/passing it on to another DCA etc.

 

2. If they don't play ball, apply for your costs to court as Andy says above, incl. your set aside costs but be prepared to fight it again within the next 6years & live with your defaults etc.

 

3. In the last resort, go for a SA of discontinuance, go through with the hearing, WIN & counterclaim. No guarantee of the win of course but sounds to me as though MC know they have no case.

 

Sleep on it, it's your decision & you have to be comfortable with it.

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Exactly jon, this is the route that in effect, spam could take by getting a written agreement from them. She may not get all the cash she would like but she would get the debt written off & peace of mind.

 

Have you got a link to your thread that might help her?

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Mynewt Update.. (for Robcag:rolleyes:)

 

Got an alert from Credit Expert today... CCJ has been removed from my file... Woo hoo.:D

 

Having slept on my dilemma... (not as good as a bed I admit. :p) I have decided to accept the discontinuence but with lots of stipulations and if they don't agree to them I'll let it run to trial.

 

As my defence is due in next wednesday I will continue to prepare it and submit as directed just in case. (Unless anyone with more experience advises me otherwise of course.)

 

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Got an alert from Credit Expert today... CCJ has been removed from my file... Woo hoo.:D

 

Hooray, one down...

 

Having slept on my dilemma... (not as good as a bed I admit. :p) I have decided to accept the discontinuence but with lots of stipulations and if they don't agree to them I'll let it run to trial.

 

You would have to physically apply for a set aside to 'let it run to trial'. make sure you head any proposal for an agreement 'without prejudice'. If you nee help shout or PM me

 

As my defence is due in next wednesday I will continue to prepare it and submit as directed just in case. (Unless anyone with more experience advises me otherwise of course.)

 

Good idea - be prepared. If you don't get confirmation from the court of discontinuance, submit the defence with a covering letter re. the discontinuance scenario.

 

 

Have a good day, hopefully you're getting closer to the champagne corks popping...

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Tis me again..:)

 

I rang the court today and they confirmed that they had received a notice of discontinuence from Mortimer Clarke... so there we have it, all over bar the shouting and my 'Costs'...

 

I can't believe how it was only their greed and them telling me they'd been awarded 8% interest after judgement that led me to this site which in turn led me to get the judgement set aside etc...

 

If they hadn't have done that I'd have still been paying them and accepting what they said like a good little uninformed Spam..:rolleyes:

 

MEGA THANKS to my constant companions...( in alphabetical order so there's no scrapping :p)

 

Andyorch, Foolishgirl, Jon888999, R&B and Robcag..

 

Your advice and guidance has been awesome...:D

 

Thank you for the Bouquet of Tomatoes FG... ;) & thank you for the rep from yesterday also Andy... This experience has taught me a lot and I hope I can pass on my knew found knowledge for the benefit of others..

 

I'm going to ask for my **stars** now as I've achieved the set aside and discontinuence... and I'll keep updating as far as the costs issue goes..

 

If it turns out they don't comply with my requests and I have to set aside the discontinuence then I'll start a new thread...

 

Just the all important letter now please FG.... :-D

 

Thanks again everyone...

 

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Thank you Spam delighted to assist and even more to get your result now go get the iceing on the cake;)

 

 

Kindest Regards

 

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Thank you spam for the public acknowledgement

 

I am delighted that you got what you wanted out of the chaos. Your story is a lesson to all who read it - perserverance, research & adherence to deadlines is essential for a successful outcome. You did good, girl!

 

Now on to the letter - will post up something later when I can think straight; builders, painters etc. all just left for the weekend leaving my house full of dust & I have to now cook a meal. Hmm.. s'pose it could be mud pie :)

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perserverance, research & adherence to deadlines is essential for a successful outcome. - I have taken notice dont worry, and will re read the thread later for part of my "research" ;)

 

congrats it must be a fab feeling and that it really does matter that sometimes you must do what you feel right to pursue

 

Fab work and help as always given by everyone it just shows a little kindness restores faith in the human breed#

 

have a sunny weekend laters all angel x:)

Im happy to help with support and my own thoughts, but if I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action.:)

 

my new motto is,,,",Taking back control of your life and home - such peace is priceless"

 

This is all due to truecall device , have a serious peek at this you will be thankful like I am x laters angel :D

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