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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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It would be nice to say that I was surprised by your letter, but sadly this is not the case. You present your letter as if you had a defence to this and hundreds of other similar claims. You do not, and you have failed repeatedly to allow cases to proceed to Court to prove your case.

 

The reduction of the claim quantum as you put it had nothing to do with anything presented by Abbey, but was due to an exchange of information between the Claimant and the District Judge, despite, not because of, the presence of your Counsel.

 

(just a couple of typos that I noticed)

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well Abbey responded, they didnt like me asking for 6.75 for several letters and they also said that i was being excessive for asking for 2 hours for completing my AQ, and a few other things. Offered me a total of 430 in total which after you take of court fees comes to £70 in total!!

 

Heres my response

 

 

 

What do you think?

 

Glenn

 

Glen,

Very good clear and concise, my only concern is that it will not be read by anyone at Abbey:o

During all the conversations I had with James/Inga/Christine during my successful action against Abbey, I gained the destinct impression that any letters that contained more than 10 lines of text were just scan read.

 

If it were me (and I know it`s not) for what it`s worth, I would not bother going to the trouble of sending it in letter form.

I would send it as an Email to James Arrandale, and then give him 24 hours in which to have received it and supposidly read it, then phone him to discuss it`s contents.

James will proberbly ask you to give him an hour and he will call you back (you won`t receive a call back) then ring him back after 2 hours.

I`m sure you will find that he will settle in the end.

I would suggest that my successful claim for `Compensation` from Abbey will have been a lot harder for them to swallow than for `Costs`, as it is very evident that the court system is set up to allow claims for costs at set rates etc, where as Compensatation is purely descretionary, so they will pay you, and I would suggest that James is the person to speak to, to arrange it.

 

HTH

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Halifax - S.A.R - June 06

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- 2nd Claim Started - 12 Dec 2006

- SETTLED IN FULL:eek:

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Abbey National - S.A.R - 23/08/06

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Cracking letter mate - nice one.

 

BTW:

"You failed to enter into serious negotiations to attempt a settlement prior to court action begin being undertaken by myself."

 

Cheers

 

Michael

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Armsoft

 

you are not saying anything I have not said to others, I will send it, since it makes me feel better.

 

Michael

 

Thanks for that. After Bong kindly pointed out a couple of typos I read it though again, yet still missed that one. Iill send it today.

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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Armsoft

 

You are not saying anything I have not said to others. I will send it, since it makes me feel better.

 

Michael

 

Thanks for that. After Bong kindly pointed out a couple of typos, I read it through again, yet still missed that one. I'll send it today.

 

Glenn

 

 

L.O.L. !!

 

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...just because something's in print doesn't mean its true.... just look at you Banks T&C's for example !

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Hey Photoman

 

who you think you are teacher???:D

 

I was drinking my coffee and having a chill before starting work, i really should use the spellchecker, it picks up most of the typos when i use it.

 

LOL

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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Ha, Ha, hopefully this will make you laugh !!!

 

My own action is against Lloyds.

At present I am using my Abbey account for all transactions, and I have had this for around 4 years without any incidents.

Today I recieved a letter informing me that a DD had failed to clear last week, and stated:

 

"I'm afraid that we have to charge you when you can't cover a payment. We'll let you know how much you'll have to pay in your statement at least 2 weeks before we take the money from your account"

 

Sooooooooo. I rang up (automated mesage states that the options have recently changed....and funny enough there is now a dedicated option to deal just with fees and charges...probably the biggest dept. at moment).

 

So, I finally got to speak to someone. I then quoted word for word the statement above, and then just casually said;

" So I presume from what this implies... is that Abbey are currently in the process of calculating exactly what the cost of dealing with this incident was?

Does this mean that I shall recieve a breakdown and a full statement of the actual costs incurred before they are taken? "

 

Oddly enough....I didn't need to go on any further..the charge was reversed !!:D

 

(she did go on to explain that it would have been £35 etc etc. I was sort of inclined to get into a debate about this, but figured it would be pointless, she would just tow the company line.

Although I did then complete an automated survey and gave her top marks for satisfaction with the outcome of the call... but bottom marks for her understanding of the issues ) !!

All opinions and advice I offer are purely my own, and are offered without any liability. If unsure seek the help of a licensed professional

...just because something's in print doesn't mean its true.... just look at you Banks T&C's for example !

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gave her top marks for satisfaction with the outcome of the call... but bottom marks for her understanding of the issues ) !!

 

Oh i do like that!

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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Glenn

 

I think from a quick skim of this thread that your claim was dealt with under the fast track rather than the small claims court. Is this right?

 

We have a claim against Abbey and they have predictably settled in full at the last minute. The hearing is set for Wednesday. We have paid their cheque into the bank and it should clear tomorrow. We have told Abbey we will not contact the court until the cheque is cleared.

 

We also told them we wanted £500 costs but I believe that as we have used the small claims court we can't do anything about the fact that they have not paid this extra amount. We did write to them after we received the cheque to say that we want the extra £500 (based on time and costs of photocopies etc) but have heard nothing.

 

We tried posting a new thread for some advice but no-one answered. Would you mind having a look at our thread if you have the time and giving us your thoughts. Could we adapt the approaches suggested in this thread?

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/73124-joneshousehold-abbey.html

 

Thanks

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does n e 1 have contact details for james arrondale, as he is the legal officer i am dealing with?

 

The delightful sounding Mr Arrandale can be reached at [email protected] or via the telephonic system on 02077564306

Lula

 

Lula v Abbey - Settled

Lula v Abbey (2) - Settled

Lula v Abbey (3) - Stayed

 

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Like all the others, very good letter glen have you sent it yet?

 

You entered a defence which was on the verge of being struck out since it was a simple denial, contained significant errors and showed no good reason for defending the claim. The Claimants application to strike the defence out was withdrawn at the Defendants request on the basis that the Defendant amended their defence to one which was compliant with

the relevant CPR.

 

I think thats the word you meant?

 

 

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bp

 

Ive already sent it thanks, my darling wife just pointed that one out too.

 

Still i think even with that, and probably one or two more in there, i reckon they'll get the drift.

 

thanks though

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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lol well i dont suppose they will consider it as another 'offer to neogitiate' costs with them.

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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Wow Glen................what a journey....what a trail blazer........and what an potted education reading it......applause.....applause...catcalls...............standing ovation.......we lesser mortals bow at your feet and pledge to learn and go forth and multiply Abbeys sufferings.

 

Inspirational....and at times totally hilarious. Does nothing phase you Glen!!!

 

Fantastically well done as you near the final fence....you deserve

a medal.

 

Oh and congrats to you both on your precious little one (not much sleep on both fronts then!!!!!!

 

very best wishes

 

lel

2006 RatNest - Personal a/c:

JulyLBA, Aug Filed Claim, Oct Settled in full £7,000

 

2006 RatNest - Ltd Co a/c

JulyLBA, Aug Filed Claim, Oct Settled in full £8,000

 

2006 RatNest - Hub's a/c

JulyLBA, Aug Filed Claim,Sept Settled in full £1,000

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