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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Hi All,

I have been reading these threads and glad I have found this site, hopefully someone will be able to help me out. Here goes my storey.

 

I have received a letter from first credit which was given to from the person living at my old address as this had been sent to the wrong address however addressed to me.

 

This letter advises me that I owe a sum of money (large amount) with the creditor being 1st credit. I have never entered into any credit agreement with 1st credit. I understand this may be a debt that has been bought by 1st credit as the amount owing is similar to a loan company that I owed money to from approx 2005.

 

This letter kindly advises me that they are unaware of any legally valid reason for non payment or of a reasonable offer being made. As this is the 1st letter I have received from them no wonder I haven’t been in contact with them as didn’t know this was there, I’m assuming they have been sending letters to the wrong address in the past. It goes onto to say they are considering whether they should issue a statutory demand. Then kindly goes onto to inform me the implications of bankruptcy.

 

Please can you offer some advice on the best way forward to deal with this issue? - So far I haven’t had any contact with this company as haven’t received any correspondence to my address which I have lived in for over 4 years.

 

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I personally would advise the person living at your address to return any mail rec'd or if they give it you just write on it not at this address and put back in the mail

 

Let them work for their pittance

 

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The weird thing is that the debt from the loan company was registered at my new address so i dont understand why when 1st credit get involved they start sending it to my previous address, i understand this address would have been on the application however they should have the correct address.

 

The other issue is the old address is currently isnt owned by anyone as this has been left in a will however they may be split 3 ways and i could end up with a share - however dont want to sign anything for the property as 1st credit may find this out? How would this impact the situation?

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Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

How long is it since you have 'acknowledged' this alleged debt. You say that you have heard nothing for at least 4 years, and a debt becomes Statute Barred after 6 years of no contact/ payments between you and the original creditor and or their nominees.

 

An SD can be easily set aside if they go down that route, and a charge on your possible portion of the house you mention is way in the future, if at all.

 

As suggested, I would ask the current tenant or whoever passed on this one letter, to mark not known at this address and return the mail whence it came.

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Hi, Thanks for the reply - The loan was originally taken out at the start of 2005

- i had issues and contacted them at the start of 2006 which they refused my offered payment and told me they were going to sell my debt on (Nice considering they have went bust now) - There hasnt been any payments made since 2006 as have been waiting for the next company to contact me.

 

I havent received anything to my new address which i have lived at for 4 years however it appears 1st credit have decided to send it to an old address? This letter has them as the creditor and not the original loan company so wasnt sure what that was about either?

 

Does anyone else have any suggestions or is it a case of just returning the post? I spoke to the national debtline and they advised to write them a letter advising they are contacting the wrong address and then gave a list of options.

 

1. Ignore them and hope they dont do anything (Risky they said)

2. Send an offer of payment

3. CCA Them?

 

I'm not sure of the best way forward - As surely if i just send the letters back they will just bankrupt me? This isnt what i want

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Hi Outerspace :)

1st Crudit (how the h**l are they still in business?) are one of the meanest DCAs around. They introduce themselves with threats of bankruptcy, because they like to scare and intimidate. However, they have frequently gone further with their threats - it gets them into shedloads of trouble and yet somehow they still crawl out of the gutter to damage yet more people.

They have 'traced' you with inaccurate information.

Either you avoid standing up to them, or you take a stand and snarl right back.

IMO, I'd send them a CCA request.

We will not be intimidated.

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Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

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Cheers - Sounds the plan as i gather they arent going to disappear. So the plan i guess is to send them a letter advising them that i have received their letter that has been handed to me however this has been sent to the wrong address and then advise them of the new address to send any correspondence.

 

Within this letter ask them to provide proof of the CCA agreement. (Does anyone have a template that i can send please?)

 

Also does anyone know if 1st credit buy debt as on this letter it states that they are the creditor however i have never taken credit from these?

 

And can i send a letter recorded delivery to a P.O Box as this is the only address i have for them.

 

All help appreicated as going to get this ball rolling........... I guess this is only the start

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They havent even bothered with a CCJ - They are just saying that they are considering to make me bankrupt. I dont understand why they would take a debt on then bankrupt me??

 

Anyway can anyone help with these q's below in red please?

 

Within this letter ask them to provide proof of the CCA agreement. (Does anyone have a template that i can send please?)

does anyone know if 1st credit buy debt as on this letter it states that they are the creditor however i have never taken credit from these?

And can i send a letter recorded delivery to a P.O Box as this is the only address i have for them?

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And can i send a letter recorded delivery to a P.O Box as this is the only address i have for them?

 

Recorded delivery - yes, Special Delivery - no.

 

1st Credit's correct address:

 

1st Credit

The Omnibus Building

Lesbourne Road

REIGATE

RH2 7LD

 

 

Although on their letters they list the postcode as being RH2 7JP which Royal Mail says is incorrect. Shows how good they are :D

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Excellent will be sending this letter ASAP, along with a paragraph added advising them that they are writing to the wrong address with new details added. Will update this thread once i hear the next bit

 

Does anyone know if 1st credit actually buy the full debt as on their letters they say they are the creditor whereby on threads i have been looking at they nomally say re your agreement with.....

 

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If on their letter they say they are the creditor then they probably bought the debt.

Why do they threaten bankruptcy? Because they're thugs in suits. Maybe it gives them a thrill to scare people to death, maybe they're such a bunch of inadequates they enjoy the feeling of control it gives them.

 

I think you need to make a photocopy of the letter and send it to the OFT etc.

But send that CCA request, make sure it's recorded and never, never be tempted to talk to them on the phone. :) xx

 

PS Outerspace, read this. It's the HTML version of the document issued by the OFT re. 1st InCrediblyBad. The PDF document can be downloaded at the top of the page:

1stCreditRequirements

PPS Note the date of the document.

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Thanks guys i will be sending a complaint to the OFT as not contacting the correct address and then saying they were going to bankrupt me is a joke...

 

Anyway i've sent CCA request off and received a reply to the correct address. They are now having to request the doc off their client which is strange as the previous letter they were saying they were the creditor hence the CCA request. Think they need to make their mind up. What is the turn around time for them sending the CCA or will it be upto the client to send it as i'm guessing they have to contact the company and then will they send it to first credit then me or will it be sent striaght to me?

 

Oh and also how can they write to me and say they are the creditor when it appears they arent and probs havent bought the debt....

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Turnaround is 12 + 2 working days. After this time you can send the 'account in dispute' letter. If and until you receive a valid CCA and all other documents requested, there should be no further contact pushing for any kind of settlement, neither can they pass the alleged debt onto any Solicitors (theirs or not) or any other DCA.

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Just a quick one. I beleive the turn around time is 12+2 for a CCA request. So i'm guessing from the date i sent my letter 24th March i will have to wait until Friday 10th April before sending them a chase up letter?

 

I have received a letter from them to my correct address now advising of the request. A couple of things:

 

1st - How can they send me a letter advising they are the creditor then when i ask for the CCA the letter now states that the original company is the creditor? (Strange) and they have requested a copy to be sent.

 

2nd - Does anyone have a letter that i can send on Friday as quite keen to have this ready to send via recorded delivery 1st thing on Friday if i dont get it as sick of them hounding me.

 

Any help is appreciated :0)

 

 

Can anyone help with the above q's please?

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Unfortunately 1stCredit do buy lots of debts for pennies then hound their victims with threats. They seem to use the same generic template letters to cover both purchased debts and assigned debts. Probably because they can't trust their threat centre staff to press the right buttons.

 

It took them 9 months to come up with an unenforceable application form which doesn't even say what I'm applying for ,to my CCA request. As well as a letter full of jargon telling me they'll seek enforcement if I don't make payments.

 

I'd sit back now and wait for them to come up with your agreement, these matters don't resolve quickly. The longer you wait the nearer to getting SB it becomes. Meantime if they keep contacting you while you're waiting , don't forget to complain to TS and OFT. It makes a difference and they're already on the naughty stool with OFT:-D.

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Hi All,

 

Just need some guidance as the the next steps. I have CCA'd 1st credit and recevied a reply back the next day saying they are getting agreement from client.

 

The 12+2 days are now up - Do i just sit back as suggested by verywary or do i need to send any sort of letter advising them they havent fulfilled my request?

 

Any help appreciated

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Hi All,

 

Some help or further advice needed. I have received within the 12+2 days the CCA for my debt. I have found my original copy that i have and the copy sent to me is excatly the same and the correct agreement.

 

Is there anything further i can do or is it time to make an offer to this company as they have provided what i have requested or is there anything else i can do?

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