Job Centre "not coping"

[Guest Gordons Barking]

Note to the management who have edited my posting to this thread: Dusky as defined by the online dictionary "brunette beauty'. It is well known there are no people whose belly is bigger than their chest size. Dim people do not exist and certainly none of them work in the civil service. My unedited post apparently makes me a racist sizist intellectual why can you not be honest and call me a Darwinian.

[nowayjose]

Well, I check Jobcentre Online several times a day to see if anything comes up.... dont know why I bother, youre ok in my area if you want to be an Avon Representative, (50% of jobs advertised) or work for an agency with temporary contracts.

Edited February 27, 2009 by nowayjose
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[gyzmo]

Contacted JC again. Explained one of the things I am applying is the Civil Service Fast Track which looks quite promising - being able to work on committees etc etc.

 

Then she said "You need a degree to be able to do that, I think you should set yourself lower, more realistic targets".

 

I have a degree, I told her - a 2:1, and all they want is a 2:2.

 

After a bit of a pause and a stare at me, she started getting all hoity toity with me an offered several fairly decent jobs.

 

One required a driving license, and I explained that I am taking my test on the 23rd March. Closing date though is 15th March. She said I should apply for it and say I have a full license. Err - isn't that gaining employment by deception? And what if I don't pass?

 

The other was an accountant. I explained I had no accountancy qualifications, and she said "i thought you had a degree?". Yeah, but believe it or not, not every single degree is accountancy related....

 

Then she picked up on the fact that I did nurse training after I left college, and pointed out a few nursing positions. So I explained that my training was 18 years ago and I did not finish it so was not qualified.

 

And then she said "well, you said you are not happy with the jobs I offered last time as you wanted something more professional, and now I have shown you professional jobs you are refusing them as well. What more can I do?"

 

My suggestion that she actually looks at my work experience and qualifications was completely ignored, and, the cheeky mare said she wanted to see "a better effort" next time. The jobs I have applied for (not through the JC) obviously do not count......

[mustang67]

Typical reply of them ,if you show any intelligence they do not know what to do with you;-)

[Johnny Holmes]

I'm sorry but what a completely arrogant story posted here by the originator.

 

Unless you are within the realms of law, clergy or medicine then you are not a 'professional' at all.

 

You say you have a degree, so what? It sounds like nothing more than a non-job qualification anyway what you have.

 

In the current market place a good, hard working brickie, no degree, would be much more relevant for the economy than what you appear to hold.

 

And there are plenty of them in the job centre.

 

Why on earth do you think you deserve more recognition and special treatment than anybody else?

[clemma]

I'm sorry but what a completely arrogant story posted here by the originator.

 

Unless you are within the realms of law, clergy or medicine then you are not a 'professional' at all.

 

You say you have a degree, so what? It sounds like nothing more than a non-job qualification anyway what you have.

 

In the current market place a good, hard working brickie, no degree, would be much more relevant for the economy than what you appear to hold.

 

And there are plenty of them in the job centre.

 

Why on earth do you think you deserve more recognition and special treatment than anybody else?

 

Oh, my.....you have decided to put your two pennies worth on this thread as well....what is it with you and people who are looking for a job???

[gyzmo]

I'm sorry but what a completely arrogant story posted here by the originator.

 

Unless you are within the realms of law, clergy or medicine then you are not a 'professional' at all.

 

You say you have a degree, so what? It sounds like nothing more than a non-job qualification anyway what you have.

 

In the current market place a good, hard working brickie, no degree, would be much more relevant for the economy than what you appear to hold.

 

And there are plenty of them in the job centre.

 

Why on earth do you think you deserve more recognition and special treatment than anybody else?

 

Ahem. I suggest you look u the word "professional" before you go off with such an inanely illogical and ill thought rant.

 

Firstly, the degree I have belongs to a profession that millions rely on each day. IT is also one of the most difficult degrees to take. It is also very specialised which is why it is not suitable to every single job.

 

Secondly, I do not believe I deserve any special treatment or recognition than anyone else, nor have I suggested that. I would expect any person to be offered positions that reflect their experience and skills.

 

And finally, to allow the pedant in me to be set free, to save you the effort of using a dictionary, the word "profession" is based on the Latin "profiteri"

meaning to publicly proclaim a faith or opinion. The word, along with many in the English language, has subtly changed to include more occupations than the priesthood and medicine, and is usually used to describe a job requiring a specific skill or expertise.

 

Well done for insulting a few million people.

[mustang67]

I am sure that there are a lot of Brickies out there that would like to find out where these jobs are,due to the downturn in the building trade:confused:

[Bookworm]

Well done for insulting a few million people.

Well, if you got to do it, you might as well do it right, I say.

[ajax95]

In the current market place a good, hard working brickie, no degree, would be much more relevant for the economy than what you appear to hold.

 

Relevant to the economy?

 

Given that the building trade is always the first to suffer in a downturn, I know a lot of unemployed brickies, hod carriers, plasterers, painters, decorators etc who'd really love to be relevant to the economy right now.

 

Are you a Job Centre worker in disguise?

Edited February 28, 2009 by ajax95
missed a bit/typo

[sillygirl1]

My flatmate is no loger getting up at 5.30 in the moring to go to work as a painter decorator as a lot of his office contracts have dried up. He is a Scot and you should hear him on the subject of the local job centre...

 

When I was made redundant they decided to try to get me to be a junior legal secretary - at a firm which specialised in 'medical problems'. I lasted a morning as I was 'too experienced and too old' for them...

 

If I get chopped in the next round of budget cuts at work I've decided I will take early retirement instead - I might loose out a bit financially but it will be enough to ensure that I do get certain benefits I wouldn't otherwise have access to - I've been paying into the system since I was 16 and now at 51 can't see there is much point in hanging on until I am 65 - again getting up at 6am in the morning to commute for an hour or so each way and get home about 6pm at night.

 

Off my soapbox now.

[Guest Gordons Barking]

Right on silly girl with no growth in the stock market and low interest rates saving is pointless unless you earn huge amounts of money. You could save hard all your life just to find you are £10 a month better off than you would be on pension credit.

[ErikaPNP]

then when they show it you on the screen you see it is for maternity cover for however long, you point out to them that you are are man ,you get the sex discrimination thing ,another DOH.

 

I'm sorry but what on earth has being a man got to do with maternity cover?

 

I could sort of see your point if the job involved working in a maternity setting and you were uncomfortable with that, or felt customers or employers would be, but when a job is maternity cover, you are on a fixed term contract to cover the abscence of a person on maternity leave, the job description itself isn't necesserily related to maternity....Gender doesn't come in to it.

 

Please point it out to me if I've missed something, as I don't understand that quote at all, sorry!

[mustang67]

The thing you missed is that the job would probably be a WOMANS job because the last one doing it got pregnant nothing to do with a maternity ward ,do you work in a Job Centre? .Because that is typical of there reply.

[gyzmo]

What on earth is a "woman's job"? All I can think of is something exclusive to the female anatomy or for extremely sensitive issues such as a rape counselor where you could easily understand why a male would not be wanted.

[Johnny Holmes]

Relevant to the economy?

 

Given that the building trade is always the first to suffer in a downturn, I know a lot of unemployed brickies, hod carriers, plasterers, painters, decorators etc who'd really love to be relevant to the economy right now.

 

Are you a Job Centre worker in disguise?

 

 

The OP's degree appears to be something to do with consumer credit. Given that consumer credit is very difficult to now come by then, yes, the degree is pretty irrelevant, unlike a skilled brickie.

 

All the good brickies I know are always in work, regardless of the economy.

 

Insurers still authorise buiding work in any downturn, bad weather will still cause structural damage despite any downturn, some people do just fine in a downturn and still employ brickies etc etc

 

Brickies with Wimpey et all will find it difficult, a brickie working for themselves will always get by.

 

I am employing one now who has started the footings on my conservatory, this after an 8 week wait for him to start because he is...busy.

[gyzmo]

Err - consumer credit is a small part of it.

There are loads of jobs in consumer credit - most of them debt collecting

The degree is not useless

I know a number of good brickies and other people who are good in their field who are unemployed and having difficulty getting a job

 

[Johnny Holmes]

 

And finally, to allow the pedant in me to be set free, to save you the effort of using a dictionary, the word "profession" is based on the Latin "profiteri"

meaning to publicly proclaim a faith or opinion. The word, along with many in the English language, has subtly changed to include more occupations than the priesthood and medicine, and is usually used to describe a job requiring a specific skill or expertise.

 

Well done for insulting a few million people.

 

It is not the word that needs explaining it is how you and many others incorrectly apply it to describe an occupation.

 

The law, clergy and medicine are enshrined within their own respective ethics that must be followed as part of their profession.

 

These are the true professions.

 

There are many skilled trades and many jobs that require a certain degree of skill, they are not professions.

 

A 'professional' footballer is no such thing, he is simply more skilled than many other people at kicking around a ball of air.

 

Anyway, just how many real 'professional' people do you see at the job centre from medicine, clergy or the law?

 

I'm sorry, but you need to get off your high horse and consider any job until you are able to use your degree rather than convey the woes of being a 'professional' out of work and thus should be treated better than millions of others.

[ErikaPNP]

The thing you missed is that the job would probably be a WOMANS job because the last one doing it got pregnant nothing to do with a maternity ward ,do you work in a Job Centre? .Because that is typical of there reply.

 

No I don't, actually I'm on the opposite side of the fence. But by the same token you're obviously very ignorant as that is an ignorant reply, to assume because a woman holds a post that the job is specifically a women's role! Again by the same token (and seeing as you are comparing me to Jobcentre employees) I could also say: Are you the sort of person who makes any excuse to sit on your arse? Because that is a typical excuse that someone who has no intention of taking a job would use.

 

When did a job specifically become a woman's job? There are male midwives, female plumbers, and most jobs are now interchangable between the genders, we came out of the dark ages a long time ago. Who knows, the woman going on maternity leave possibly took over the post from a man who left the company. You stated in your last post that all you have done is work in retail for over 30 years. If that is the case then you will know that you get female retail assistants, and male retail assistants. Their sex has nothing to do with their ability to hold their post.

 

The reply I posted is the sort you'd hear from anyone with an ounce of common sense, not from someone who works at the Jobcentre.

[gyzmo]

It is not the word that needs explaining it is how you and many others incorrectly apply it to describe an occupation.

 

The law, clergy and medicine are enshrined within their own respective ethics that must be followed as part of their profession.

 

These are the true professions.

 

There are many skilled trades and many jobs that require a certain degree of skill, they are not professions.

 

A 'professional' footballer is no such thing, he is simply more skilled than many other people at kicking around a ball of air.

 

Anyway, just how many real 'professional' people do you see at the job centre from medicine, clergy or the law?

 

I'm sorry, but you need to get off your high horse and consider any job until you are able to use your degree rather than convey the woes of being a 'professional' out of work and thus should be treated better than millions of others.

 

I've been wondering whether to dignify this with a response.

 

I can only refer to what I said previously, seeing as it has not obviously sunk in.

 

And the only evidence of a high horse I can determine is the large amount of horses**t that has been spouted.....

[Bona]

im self employed and at the moment there bye the grace of god go I I still have a buisness its hard the Kids parents are all straped for cash so we have to make concessions Other half is retired only has his pittance of a pension down here in the south those that loose there Jobs are mostley a fortune but debts even more we have all been living beyond there means (well not all) but where do we go from here take whats offered and hope to improve ourselves inn the years to come Im just hoping that some of my parents stay sovent so I cab continue

[mustang67]

No I don't, actually I'm on the opposite side of the fence. But by the same token you're obviously very ignorant as that is an ignorant reply, to assume because a woman holds a post that the job is specifically a women's role! Again by the same token (and seeing as you are comparing me to Jobcentre employees) I could also say: Are you the sort of person who makes any excuse to sit on your arse? Because that is a typical excuse that someone who has no intention of taking a job would use.

 

When did a job specifically become a woman's job? There are male midwives, female plumbers, and most jobs are now interchangable between the genders, we came out of the dark ages a long time ago. Who knows, the woman going on maternity leave possibly took over the post from a man who left the company. You stated in your last post that all you have done is work in retail for over 30 years. If that is the case then you will know that you get female retail assistants, and male retail assistants. Their sex has nothing to do with their ability to hold their post.

 

The reply I posted is the sort you'd hear from anyone with an ounce of common sense, not from someone who works at the Jobcentre.

 

 

edited!

Edited March 2, 2009 by HSBCrusher
thats enough of that!

[mustang67]

The OP's degree appears to be something to do with consumer credit. Given that consumer credit is very difficult to now come by then, yes, the degree is pretty irrelevant, unlike a skilled brickie.

 

All the good brickies I know are always in work, regardless of the economy.

 

Insurers still authorise buiding work in any downturn, bad weather will still cause structural damage despite any downturn, some people do just fine in a downturn and still employ brickies etc etc

 

Brickies with Wimpey et all will find it difficult, a brickie working for themselves will always get by.

 

I am employing one now who has started the footings on my conservatory, this after an 8 week wait for him to start because he is...busy.

 

What are you doing on a debt help website when you are having a conservatory built? Or people in glass houses.....

[HSBCrusher]

This thread is becoming rather bad tempered.

 

please keep it civil, any more agressive or offensive posts will be removed.

 

If peeps are not sure as to what to post please read the site rules.

[mustang67]

The same four letter word has not been removed from the ErikaPNP post,anyway calm down as they say.When I see a job advertised as maternity cover in my eyes that is a signal from the advertiser rightly or wrongly that they are asking for a female applicant,otherwise why do they not say that the job is only for six months or whatever? Anyway enough of this at the end of the day I would not apply for such a job as described as the majority of them are usually office jobs not retail.