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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. 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( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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As if it's not bad enough with blooming banks, credit card companies and DCA's phoning when I don't want to speak to them, now I've got some muppets by the name of Debt Support Network calling!

 

I'm TPS registered and ex-directory, so how they got my number I don't know. Asked for my wife by name, said they understood we may have debt problems - as it I would discuss that with a cold caller, number withheld too.

 

Reported to TPS already. I Googled and found the DSN website. Seems they provide IVA's, well good for them but why pay when I can get the same info and better service here on CAG?

 

I would really like to know where they got my number from as it's so annoying for cold callers to be given info like that when I have not given any authority for the number to be passed on - they're based in Basingstoke in some rented offices.

 

Website says they are a trading name of CPN Ltd - or expand that to become Compensation Professionals Network Ltd (regulated by the Ministry of Justice no less), funnily enough I found that on Google with yet another 'trading name' I'll not give here but claiming that "We can help you reclaim charges back..." !!!

 

So - heads up guys, you may get a call. They don't seem to appreciate things like TPS so make sure you report them - they hold their number when they call but the website says 0844 884 3272, which is what I've put in my TPS report...

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I have had similar problems - within 2 days of a line being connected as it happens - they got very snotty and abusive when I asked where they got the number from I spoke to OFCOM who recommended I also talk to the Information Com as the number is ex directory there is only one place they could have got it so soon

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The call I received from them was an unsolicited robo-call. Such marketing calls are illegal in the UK, and it's clearly not appropriate that a company such as this trade in financial services.

 

I believe DSN / FSDM is under investigation by both the ICO and the OFT. Good.

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I got debt support network yesterday and someone else (allegedly) today yesterdays put the phone down straight away when I asked where they got my number from todays did the smug marketing database thing and when I said those types of call were illegal said what makes you think I am in the UK and claimed to be in the Gambia. Todays smug Piers Morgan was taking a similar take to the one claiming to be from Debt Solutions (who weren't)

 

I complained to DSN yesterday and added to my offcom complaint today and reported BT to the ICO as there is no way they should have sold an ex directory number to anywon within 2 days of the line being connected - the robot call was actually the first call I received

 

I didn't know DSN were under investigation so will email Offcom and update that complaint with their name

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I am on cable and also ex-dir, but get the recorded mesage then press * calls all the time. I find it best to leave til the last minute then press required digit and then put the phone next to the tv. you would be surprised at how many have tried to start a conversation with someone off Corry!!:)

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Why are all of you complaining about a company trying to help you sort out some of YOUR debts. They dont ring randoms; only ring people who are already in debt. Either you're dillusional or just pig ignorant....you're the people that got yourselves into this debt in the first place.Borrowing money that you know you cant repay yourselves- adding to the economic crisis we are currently suffering from- I may add. Why are you so happy to repay interest on top of your debts- putting money into the back pockets of the already incredibly rich bankers.

 

I myself got help from a debt management company such as DSN and I can say I am extremely happy with how things are going. I dont understand why people are so quick to be defensive and think these companies are the enemy. At the end of the day nothing is for free, so yes these companies take a fee, but what company do you know gives you something for nothing.....banks certainly dont!!!!

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Why are all of you complaining about a company trying to help you sort out some of YOUR debts. They dont ring randoms; only ring people who are already in debt. Either you're dillusional or just pig ignorant....you're the people that got yourselves into this debt in the first place.Borrowing money that you know you cant repay yourselves- adding to the economic crisis we are currently suffering from- I may add. Why are you so happy to repay interest on top of your debts- putting money into the back pockets of the already incredibly rich bankers.

 

I myself got help from a debt management company such as DSN and I can say I am extremely happy with how things are going. I dont understand why people are so quick to be defensive and think these companies are the enemy. At the end of the day nothing is for free, so yes these companies take a fee, but what company do you know gives you something for nothing.....banks certainly dont!!!!

 

To**er:wink:

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Why are all of you complaining about a company trying to help you sort out some of YOUR debts. They dont ring randoms; only ring people who are already in debt.

How would they know that unless OFT, FSA & ICO guidelines had been broken?

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As if it's not bad enough with blooming banks, credit card companies and DCA's phoning when I don't want to speak to them, now I've got some muppets by the name of Debt Support Network calling!

 

I'm TPS registered and ex-directory, so how they got my number I don't know. Asked for my wife by name, said they understood we may have debt problems - as it I would discuss that with a cold caller, number withheld too.

 

I would really like to know where they got my number from as it's so annoying for cold callers to be given info like that when I have not given any authority for the number to be passed on - they're based in Basingstoke in some rented offices.

 

 

So - heads up guys, you may get a call. They don't seem to appreciate things like TPS so make sure you report them - they hold their number when they call but the website says 0844 884 3272, which is what I've put in my TPS report...

 

 

steve1111 I think you'll find that hillards complaint is about unwanted phone calls from companies that have hillards phone number when hillards clearly wasnt aware that the ex-directory number was known to the company.

 

I consider that a form of tele-marketing (personal choice). Point is, if hillards wants to use such a service then Im sure they would approach such companies on their own reconnaissance.

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Why are all of you complaining about a company trying to help you sort out some of YOUR debts. They dont ring randoms; only ring people who are already in debt. Either you're dillusional or just pig ignorant....you're the people that got yourselves into this debt in the first place.Borrowing money that you know you cant repay yourselves- adding to the economic crisis we are currently suffering from- I may add. Why are you so happy to repay interest on top of your debts- putting money into the back pockets of the already incredibly rich bankers.

 

I myself got help from a debt management company such as DSN and I can say I am extremely happy with how things are going. I dont understand why people are so quick to be defensive and think these companies are the enemy. At the end of the day nothing is for free, so yes these companies take a fee, but what company do you know gives you something for nothing.....banks certainly dont!!!!

How long have you been working for DSN?

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I am at present following through all unrequested (touted) 'offers of help'. I insist that I am informed as to where my information was purchased, and send a formal complaint to ICO. These companies have NO RIGHT to my information and I will follow them through all the way to Court if necessary. My telephone is for MY convenience and not that of others touting for business!!

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I am ex directory stevie boy and dont give my number out and certainly not to companies out to make a fast buck just as a DCA is!

 

"Borrowing money that you know you cant repay yourselves", oh so being made redundant because of company closure due to bank withdrawing company overdraft facilities my fault, thats that sorted then;) Di*k

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These companies have NO RIGHT to my information and I will follow them through all the way to Court if necessary. My telephone is for MY convenience and not that of others touting for business!!

 

 

Hear hear!!!!! or is it Here here!!?? :???:

 

either way Im of the same opnion as harrassed senior

Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum

 

The great thing is to know when to speak and when to keep quiet.

 

(Seneca the Younger (attributed), Proverbs, 74)

 

 

Speech is given to many; intelligence to few - but if its well said, I said it!

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haha things so bad they have to come on here touting for business :-D

 

They dont realise once people find this site its too late, they are empowered by the knowledge of others who have had the same problems, same companies chasing them and know how to deal with fairly and correctly.

 

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I have had an 'alleged' new one today - Credit Relief Network - The guy claimed not to know where they got my number from but put the phone down when I demanded that it be taken off their system - methinks he knew abit more than he was letting on including the the fact that what they are doing is dodgy - well I shall add that to my OFFCOM complaint

 

As for the comment about some Debt management companies helping people I have no doubt of that, my mother was being helped by one as she chose not to do it herself and that is her right. I like the guy he has been helpful since her death FOC as he knew more about her debts than us. Some people will always want to give this sort of thing to others to deal with for them - we on CAG choose not to but we need to remember sometimes its still our choice and others will choose to do it differently no point getting upset with the debt management companies that are filling a void - I can tell you now my younger brother intends to use one he knows damn well what I am doign but is the sort of [person that can't be arsed to deal with it himself

 

The issue here is the dodgy ones not the good ones

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I had a call from what sounded like Credit Relief Network, can't quite make it out from the recording.

 

The following number is logged in my pbx: 02030090036 or 17190502030090036 if that means anything to anyone.

 

But when I ring it back it is a message from Verizon Business with the following message:

 

Your test call has successfully routed via the london 8 switch for enquiries please call 0800 0188000

 

I will give Verizon a call tomorrow and see what I can dig up.

 

 

 

Cheers, Des.

 

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Just did a quick Google search on "credit relief network" and the result was this thread.

 

We are getting these calls at my company 3/4 times a week and they are a complete pain in the ar$e.

 

Steve1111, why would they be phoning our customer service line (for booking gas engineers) if they're trying to help us? It's an automated line and it keeps screwing up our systems. It's a computer randomly dialling numbers until it gets an answer!

 

I managed to intercept one of the calls before it went into the loop a short while ago. I was told to press 6 and was put through to a twonk called Brett who said "I believe you're having problems handling your debt". My response was "The only problem I have Brett is that we keep getting unsolicited calls from your company!" and I was swiftly hung up on.

 

These people must have debt problems themselves; you gotta be desperate to work for a place like that.

 

Next time, I have my sob story ready. I will need their help, desperately. I intend to get a call back number and I then I will be reporting them to the relevant authorities. :cool:

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I know the ICO is taking action against the debt support network. They have asked me if they could use the details I forwarded to them to take this action.

 

However I also got a call from the credit relief network today and it looks like it is the same people that just changed company name as the recorded message is exactly the same.

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Another one from this crowd.

 

They withheld their caller ID, but number was 02033675600, but I get NU when calling it back.

 

 

The message said they were from Talk Time TV / talktime TV from what I can make out but it was 99% the same company as before.

 

I managed to string the oik along for a while giving him false details and then left the phone on the desk for a while while I had my dinner.

 

He obviously thought he was on to a winner, as I had 9 missed calls in the space of 3 minutes from 07893072138 I think this is a manx or jersey mobile number so don't go ringing it as it probably won't come out of your inclusive minutes. I did send them a few nasty text messages just to cheer up their day ;)

 

So, is anyone in contact with the ICO/ofcom/trading standards etc about this crowd, so I can send in my recordings and call logs if it will help.

 

Cheers, Des.

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Hello,

 

I know the ICO is investigating them, it might be worthwile giving them a ring.

The person I dealt with was actually a manager there.

 

Obviously I am not posting their direct line on here, so you can contact me if needed and I will provide the details

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