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I have just received the same letter from Northern Rock!!! I would suggest you give Consumer Direct (trading Standards) a ring and tell them that you don't believe your letter is from Barclaycard. They are very interested in cases of Fraud ;)

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You may wish to ring Barclaycard and ask for the main switchboard. Ring that number and ask to speak to the person that allegedly signed that letter. If you do manage to speak to them; assuming that they have not left the company, been on materity leave for 7 months (;)), get them to confirm that they sent the letter. You never know what you may find out.

 

Then go to TS toot suite!!!

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Hi Guy’s

 

Apologies for the delay.

 

Had to use my girlfriends scanner as mine has broken.

 

Hopefully you can see this one.

 

Babybear39 how did you get on with your conquest against 1st Credit?

 

I read quite a lot of your story on the forum.

 

I still have not received my CCA request.

 

Been over a month now.

 

Does this mean they have no case against me?

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Hi 42man

 

Thanks for your response.

 

Surely this is not legal.

 

I think i will need to send a letter to Barclaycard, with a copy of the letter to see if this is true.

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You may also wish to raise the issue with the OFT.

HAVE YOU BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY BY CREDITORS OR DCA's?

 

BEWARE OF CLAIMS MANAGEMENT COMPANIES OFFERING TO WRITE OFF YOUR DEBTS.

 

 

Please note opinions given by rory32 are offered informally as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice, you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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and your MP. In fact the more people who are aware of this dubious prctice the better chance we have of something being done about these DCAs and their apparent disregard for the law

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Babybear39 how did you get on with your conquest against 1st Credit?

 

I read quite a lot of your story on the forum.

 

I still have not received my CCA request.

 

Been over a month now.

 

Does this mean they have no case against me?

 

TBH, I had to go bankrupt due to severe ill health and disablement, so it didn't get past the 'is the CCA genuine or not stage'. They supplied VERY late and LTSB supplied the alleged statements :rolleyes: All this happened after Trading Standards got involved.

 

If they exceed the 12 + 2 + calendar month deadlines, report them to TS using this ASAP:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/147392-cca-dcas-unfair-commercial.html

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Hi Everyone

 

As of my last visit to the forum I had just sent my CCA request to the wonderful people at 1st Credit which I belive was June time. After months of nothing I have since recieved a letter from 1st Credit yesterday morning with a copy of my Barclaycard agreement and letter stating that "if this is your signature we will of course send you a complete copy of the relevant documentation. We would also invite your proposals for settling this outstanding debt'.

 

Like I have said before on the forum I am willing to pay this debt on a monthly basis but from previous correspondence with 1st credit (via phone calls) the amounts I have offered have never been good enough. Do I reply to this letter agreeing that this is my debt and a payment process or do I just pay each month?

 

I want these people off my back as they are most offensive people I have ever met.

 

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Hi Everyone

 

As of my last visit to the forum I had just sent my CCA request to the wonderful people at 1st Credit which I belive was June time. After months of nothing I have since recieved a letter from 1st Credit yesterday morning with a copy of my Barclaycard agreement and letter stating that "if this is your signature we will of course send you a complete copy of the relevant documentation. We would also invite your proposals for settling this outstanding debt'.

 

Like I have said before on the forum I am willing to pay this debt on a monthly basis but from previous correspondence with 1st credit (via phone calls) the amounts I have offered have never been good enough. Do I reply to this letter agreeing that this is my debt and a payment process or do I just pay each month?

 

I want these people off my back as they are most offensive people I have ever met.

 

Thanks

 

Um, could someone please tell me why they will only send a complete set of the documentation on confirmation of signature ?.

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Perish the thought that they might want your signature to cut and paste onto some documents!

 

You could always do a non you sig and see what comes back, and then go to the Police with your proper sig.

Or am I being too cynical?

 

Thats a good idea :) . Perhaps the day will come when they send out 'field agents' to rummage through our dustbins in search of a siggy.

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Are you sure it is an Agreement you have recieved and not just part of a microfiched application form like the one they have just sent to me accompanied by the same letter you describe.

 

I'm just going to file and ignore because they are still in default of my CCA request.

 

Looking through my first Crud file, they sent me the same document six months ago and I responded then telling them it was not up to the job :)

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Hi Guy's

 

Thanks for the replies.

 

The form they have sent me is the basic Barclay card application which just shows my basic details and a signature and date. To be fair, where my signature is on the form it does look like there has been some cut and pasting involved as there is a barcode next to this with my name on, which if this was a original application this would not be the case.

 

If to say that this is my CCA, are they still in default of not supplying in the relevant time? Also, what is the best way of replying to a letter of this kind? Obviously don't provide a signature.

 

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You are under NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to send these cretins your signature. They are more than happy to send their begging letters and so called solicitors letters to you so therfore they must be happy with your identity. If they are not happy with your identity then they are in breach of the Data Protection Act.

 

One really does have to ask why they REALLY want your signature.

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Because Cabot are so devious and mendacious, it's difficult to know just why they are asking for a signature. Whilst I would put nothing past them, most of their staff have the intellectual capacity of a mollusc, and are unlikely to be able to manage a convincing cut and paste. Perhaps they do have someone with sufficient 'little grey cells' to do it? I suspect that it is he who is responsible for all those circumloquacious letters that say so much but mean so little.

 

On the other hand, it may just be another of their tactics to buy time in which to apply more intimidatory pressure. The difficulty with Cabot is that they deliberately ignore the fact that you can't polish a turd, and no agreement means a debt is unenforceable.

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A letter from 1st Credit to me was actually sent to my friends house last week! I rang them and asked why and they went on about Experian and credit checks etc, so I said I have never lived at that address, so the guy said did you use it as a care of address or anything so I admitted I had once. That was what they based this letter on. However to continue, the letter said I owe Abbey £171 odd. I also queried this because I have never had an account with Abbey and they said it was from 1997!! Now surely if I went off owing a bank money, I would not be able to open another account with a different bank? Further more he didnt ask where I was living now, nor for a contact number. I have told my friend if any more letters come to simply return them to 1st Credit. Am I doing the right thing or should I pursue this matter further? Should I contact 1st Credit and mention the banned statute thing?

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