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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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If your referring to my post Mr Shed as the post 'above' where have I criticised the Police. I haven't I've only suggested the OP get their cooperation to commence a claim against the insurer for negligence & then for exacerbating matters by denying it

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No it wasnt your post JC - sorry meant above generally, not directly above :). It was someone elses(letshelp).

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It was my post MrS was talking about, it was not a dig at the cops, my point is simply, I agree the cops had reasonable cause to remove and impound the vehicle in the first instance given the information that had been supplied to them, what I am saying is that once that information was found to be wrong, as the op was insured, then the authority for keeping the vehicle impounded has gone, and by continuing to hold onto the vehicle they are acting without authority. I would suggest that the initial charge should be met by the insurer, but I believe the cops should be liable from the time they were informed that they had acted on duff info.

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Except that the police no longer have his car. The towing and storage will have been contracted out to a private company. They are the ones that need paying and are unlikely to release the car until they are.

 

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letshelp I understand what you saying but the Police are bullet proof here & the private contractor who lifted the car wants paid. No the villains here seem to be the OP's insurer & he has much more chance of collecting from them than the police

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The contracted company are agents for the Police, they are only used because the police don't have the storage facilities themselves. I appreciate they will want paying.

JC

The Police pay out so much money in damages each year across all kinds of mistakes, I think the days of them being bullet proof have well gone.

I don't know if I'm getting my point across here, let me use another example:

If the Police arrest you on suspicion of a crime and take you into custody, thats ok, BUT, if whilst you are in custody they receive information or establish facts to show you are innocent of the allegation, and they continue to hold you in custody, they can be sued for unlawfull imprisonment. Why should it be any different with your property?

I feel that the police should have informed the private contractor as soon as they were aware that the information they initially acted on has been proved incorrect, to release the vehicle on payment of the charges to that day. I would then agree that thoses charges should be recovered from the OP insurance company. Hope this clarifies my point.

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I understand completely what your saying What I'm saying is your mistaken the loss including the consequential loss of the car being impounded beyond the original day lies with the insurer not the Police.

 

And as I understand it the OP cannot collect the car because they can't pay the original charge

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If your Brother has been told no conact was made then he should ask for this in writing.

 

This along with a letter to the station that is dealing with it would be needed.

 

But since it's now after 28 days, is the car still there?

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I agree with letshelp.

 

My car was stolen recovered and impounded; police then forgot to take the keys from me, meaning i had 300 mile round trip to drop the keys off.

 

I get a call 4 days later saying go and get your car.

Police sent me to the yard where i was told to pay 200 for storage.

 

I told them that i had not asked the police to bring it here and i have travelled £150 twice due to police admin incompetency.

 

They phoned the Met who agreed it was stolen recovered (not a fine impounding or anything) they agreed to pick up the charge!

 

Its just poor admin and sometimes over zealous policing at its best!

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Does anyone know which legislation it is that covers this? We need to check exactly what the police's powers are once insurance cover is established.

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OK, the legislation is here:

 

Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 (c. 15)

 

It looks as if the police can demand payment even if they were wrong or misinformed. However, it doesn't seem to specifically say they can retain the vehicle until the fee is paid. This might come under a common law lien.

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I agree with letshelp.

 

My car was stolen recovered and impounded; police then forgot to take the keys from me, meaning i had 300 mile round trip to drop the keys off.

 

I get a call 4 days later saying go and get your car.

Police sent me to the yard where i was told to pay 200 for storage.

 

I told them that i had not asked the police to bring it here and i have travelled £150 twice due to police admin incompetency.

 

They phoned the Met who agreed it was stolen recovered (not a fine impounding or anything) they agreed to pick up the charge!

 

Its just poor admin and sometimes over zealous policing at its best!

 

 

You must have caught them on a good day because they didn't have to

 

In the circumstances you describe veester such recovery & storage charges are, subject to your policy excess of course, recoverable under your own insurance policy.

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