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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hello all, i have used this site for reference purposes previously, and i have read how a lot of you are threatened by these so called "debt collection" agencies threatening one thing or another. So now i feel it time to let you in on some of the "smoke & mirrors" tactics these companies use.

 

I have lived in my new property since last September, and of course the first couple of months i was returning to sender the previous occupiers mail. Most companies got the message, however some of them it seemed, the more i returned them the post the more they would send out in return, so now i have taken to opening the mail just to see exactly what it is they are so keen to share.

 

Undoubtedly they were from "debt collection" agencies, and i use that term very very loosely. More like harassment threatening agencies. I was going to ring them up to inform them of the change of occupier, but firstly i was not about to ring them on their 0870 numbers and secondly, after researching a couple of them on the Internet, and reading their "exemplary" ability to "track down debtors and gone aways" using "state of the art technology" i got to thinking just how long will they continue barking up the wrong tree?

 

So since December 2007 i started my unscientific experiment and collected all correspondence they were sending through the door, in the hope that one of their "Local agents" would in fact knock on the door and i would be able to hand the letters to him informing them of their incompetent mistake, and close the door grinning like a Cheshire cat!

To date not a single solitary "agent" "debt collector" or even Bailiff has so much as attempted to confirm who actually lives here!:confused:

 

The first letter i have is dated the 3rd September 2007, from a company calling themselves "Red debt collection services!

Then a very comical letter from "Robinson way and company Ltd" Claiming to have sent a "whole series of letters, telephone calls, and local representatives have repeatedly called at your address all with no success"

Well i hope you didn't pay for the representative because i can categorically say that, no-one has ever called at this address, nor rung, and that is the only letter to have been received from "Robinson way & co Ltd", because on the 8th October 2007 "Red debt collection services" sent another letter to say that they acting on behalf of their client "Lowell Portfolio I Ltd"

 

Then on the 5th November 2007"Lowell Financial" sent a letter asking for said debtor to get in touch on this freephone number 0800 0270194 to "confirm" the address details to be correct, if they did not hear anything then they would "assume" that the details were correct!

 

A letter on the 12th November, 21st November, a "Final Notice" on the 13th December, a "Final Demand" on the 20th December, (Merry Christmas) All from "Lowell Financial"

Then on New years Eve! (Happy New year!)"Hampton's Legal" feeling left out decided they ought to get in on the act by sending a letter on "behalf of our client Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd"

 

They then sent another letter on the 11th January 2008 a "Notice to issue a county court claim" on the 22nd January 2008, and followed by another letter this time from "Red debt collection services" on the 7th February who again re-iterated that they "had been appointed as the authorised debt collection agent for Lowell Portfolio"

And finally today i received another letter from "Red debt collection services" threatening that they were going to advise "their client Lowell Portfolio" to issue a claim in the county court! All and i mean ALL of the letters have threatened either court action, some form of legal action, bailiffs, door step collection agents, or "other means of collection?"

 

I know that i am on the outside looking in, and that i am in the fortunate position of not having this debt on my shoulders, and i can certainly see why people would be intimidated by these "malicious letters", but i have come to realise that, these letters are not generated by Human beings, they are simply computer driven printed automated standard letters, at a certain time spewing out the next level of threats in the hope that the recipient or debtor will make contact, if they don't the computer will simply wait an allotted period of time before printing of another malicious threatening letter.

 

That is Three companies chasing one person for the same debt, now either it is the same company just using different names, or they are contravening the Data protection act. I won't say that the left arm doesn't know what the right one is doing, but if you spend 5 or 10 minutes researching these companies who are chasing you for money, you would be mistaken in believing that they would know what you had had for breakfast and if you brushed your teeth today, it simply isn't so, they all talk the talk but very very few actually walk the walk, if there were any professionalism at all in these companies they would, at an instance, be able to tell that the previous occupier at this address has long gone. I for one have no intention of doing their work for them, they apparently have "sophisticated state of the art technology to trace debtors" Pull the other one it's got bell's on!

 

I hope that this may go some way in allaying peoples fears slightly that these bully's are'nt going to turn up kicking your door in in the middle of the night. If i get any further progress i will be sure to add it onto this site, but i won't hold my breath!

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Well Said Boo, well said!

 

I think the funniest line I have ever seen in the much publicised twaddle was "Valid even if not read by you".

OK-dokey, we'll see how long that stands up in court.

 

I totally concur with your point of view. I recently found out that a certain DCA had sent no less than 6 letters to me regarding the same account over a two year period.....despite being informed by the incumbent occupier that I had ceased to reside at that address, 3 TIMES!!!

 

One such epistle even said 'If this letter is not correctly addressed to you, please call us to let us know that the addressee is incorrect?

Say what?

 

That DCA claimed that I had ignored them. Not quite, as I never knew that they had been sent. Apparently, it was my duty to inform the DCA that I had moved out. Except, I moved out before the DCA was allegedly assigned to collect the debt.

 

Sorry mateys, my crystal ball seems to be malfunctioning, I could not have known that you would be assigned. The original creditor was certainly informed of my movements.

 

Brings me on to another point - I was brought up never to open anyone elses mail. (Not that I am being accusatory Boo, just making the point.)

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these companies are all linked and by linked i mean that nobby sits at 1 table as lowells , behind him sits nobby who is lowell portfolio behind him sits nobby who is red debt and behind him you guessed it sits nobby who is hamptons , all of them couldnt string a sentance together , they are the dullest lowest form of pondlife you will ever come across .

The last time I looked the only people who can arrest you were the police and there too busy catching speeding motorists .

They are nothing but bullies , i would love to meet face to face these imberciles and then let them sprout their drivel about how we have to speak to them because we owe them money (alledgedely), how we are going to prison for owing 200 on a card (yeh right ) DCA are bullies , dont let them win , dont give them what they want , if you are going to pay them only pay what you can afford , if you are not sure if you owe them or if they are legally obliged to collect a debt then read this site , it has all the answers and can really help you.

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Lowell Farcical/Lowell Portfolio/Red Debt Collection/Hamptons iLegal are all tentacles of the one company. They pretend to be different people in the hope that they will sound important. All it is is the same threats differently compiled sent out bu the same Sinclair ZX80 computer. The only manual intervention is when the call centre monkey with the braincell replaces Lowell notepaper with Red Debt notepaper. Some of the threats seem to emminate from their state of the ark threat printing facilty in the salubrious Bellshill area near Glasgow.

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ODC .... Please don't be offensive to monkeys by comparing them to 'Collections Analysts'. Thank you.

 

I have to go feed the paper into the threat-o-matic now, I may be gone for some time.

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Brings me on to another point - I was brought up never to open anyone elses mail. (Not that I am being accusatory Boo, just making the point.)

 

I also agree Simon, however after returning numerous letters back to them initially, and after they insisted on continuing sending them, i felt that as this is now my property i had every right to open mail addressed here, if only to see what or indeed who i might be expected to encounter on my doorstep. And should the need arise for me to obtain credit, and in the event that it was refused, i would be able to understand why. But as is their lack of Professionalism i wholly expect this to run and run, gives me something to look forward to in the mornings when the postie delivers!

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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You can get the post office to redirect them before they are delivered to you, take the letters down and speak to somebody in person and they can go through the process. I think it costs £15 but at least it lets the DCA morons know it is NOT somebody at the address returning mail but a legal entity.

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yes you can ask the post office to redirect mail, do they always comprehend? NO, ive lived here 14yr this yr and still get post for the woman that owned the house all of those years ago, i used to put them back in the post for approx the first 18mth, then contacted the PO and explained, but i still receive her mail to this day which i now just bin. My ex husband has been gone 4 yr come oct, same route taken with his mail, only his is either binned or i DO open court papers as im not being dragged down by him again

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Some of the threats seem to emminate from their state of the ark threat printing facilty in the salubrious Bellshill area near Glasgow.

 

The "If undelivered please return to blah blah Bellshill/Motherwell" is a bit of a con, my good man.

 

They use this address for their victims in Scotland, in an attempt to add a bit of credibility to their home visit threat. I mean, an address in Leeds is of no interest to anyone north of the border where the rules of the game are slightly different anyway.

 

How do I know there's nothing really there?? Because at one time I was resident astonshingly close to the place from whence these threats supposedly came. This was long before I had any dealings with them, but a work colleague went there with every intention of "kicking his @rse so hard he'll be wearing it for a hat" only to suffer the extreme disappointment of finding he'd been denied his chance of justice and conned...yet again.

 

If someone wants to jog my memory of the address, it might be possible for my little spy network to have a gander, but I'm already more than a little confident you'll find it's part of the smoke and mirrors trick.

HOIST BY THEIR OWN PETARD.

 

Blimey it works....:-)

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I'm doing the same with HFO Services in Wimbledon, I have 20 minutes between trains if I miss one and will take my digital camera and find out if their offices are as 'glossy' as they portray. In fact I am pretty certain they are somewhere different and the address is just a 'postal service' place.... might do that tomorrow as I should have my camera with me.

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Ive reported Lowell To the Serious Fraud Office as I suggest you all do.

 

Having asked for them to show the deed of assignment in wirting and discussing it with them on the phone asking them why they haven't replied and failed to legally follow my complaint they duly closed my "account"

 

Writing off the debt I supposedly owed.

 

 

This company has made 10 million from basically bullying and threatening people into submission when in fact they have got a legal leg to stand on.

 

It has become more apprarent day by day that many of us here have seen them not turning up at court or not responding to legal letters simple because in FACT they DO NOT have the deed of assingment and therefore cannot prove they own the debt.

 

So they are obtaining money by deception and furthermore demanding money by menace.

 

THE SFO are very interested indeed.

 

And especially seen as a winding up order has been served on RED debt collections

 

MY Advice

 

Ignore their letters ignore their calls , record eveything times dates, phone calls and report to

 

Trading standards

FSA

OFT

SFO

 

Everyone should report them.

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Does anybody know if they also have a branch at PO Box 8743, bellshill, ML4 3WU. They are a pest!

If you live in Scotland or Northern Ireland they sometimes use envelopes with this return address on them to make you think they are have a Sottish branch. Just another of their childish games. This Bellshill address is used by several DCAs. The address in fact refers to a rather run down industrial estate

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I have just posted a letter back to that very branch in Bellshill, they keep chasing somebody who doesn't live where I work - it's offices - I'm just waiting for their promised 'we will call' person. I'd seriously give them some grief.

 

Letter had clearly showing on the envelope 24866FANDF and then 4900 as another code against the barcode.

 

Stupid idiots.....

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I found these forums by googling Hamptons legal.

 

I received two letters today, one from Hamptons and one from Lowell Portfolio 1

 

Hamptons reads on the reverse of the envelope:

 

PO BOX 204

Leeds

LS11 1BH

 

Interestingly (I am based in Bristol) the one from Lowell Portfolio 1 reads:

 

PO Box 511

Bradley Stoke

Bristol

BS34 9BH

 

They traced me to my new address, to be honest i wasnt hiding from them anyways, we reached a stalemate the last time i dealt with them (2001/2002) as they were unable to provide a copy of my original credit agreement or what the debt was actually for.

 

It Starts. :rolleyes:

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Hi,

 

No it doesn't start :D

 

If the last time they contacted you or you made any payment to this debt was 2001/2 then it is Statute Barred and they can politely sod off

 

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