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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Every week there are, on average, upwards of 80-100 new posts that don't receive a reply ( and at a time when the forum is relatively quiet). Obviously there is a percentage that quite clearly don't necessarily need a response, but if you are a first time poster, it can be dispiriting not to receive any answer at all.

 

 

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Even if you don't know the answer to the query, just a word of support or encouragement will bump it, where hopefully it can be seen by someone with more expert knowledge.

 

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Done a few, the site is great many people are just not up to the job of researching, so it gets a bit grim helping out dim / lazy people, who will keep coming back asking you to do all the work for them.

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Done a few, the site is great many people are just not up to the job of researching, so it gets a bit grim helping out dim / lazy people, who will keep coming back asking you to do all the work for them.

 

A bit harsh Rex. There's a lot of information on the site but it can be hard to navigate at times. The site is about helping yourself, but sometimes it just takes a bit of a helping hand to point people in the right direction so they can help themselves. When you're stressed it can be hard to see the wood for the trees.

 

Sometimes all it takes is links to maybe the FAQ's http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/faqs-please-read-these/

 

A to Z http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/welcome-consumer-forums/69359-cant-find-what-youre.html

 

Statutes Library http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/cases-library/

 

or any of the other CAG libraries, and indeed some of the threads marked **WON**, or ongoing cases which have similarities to their own.

 

It takes time for people to gain the confidence to take everything in, but I agree, people must be prepared to put the time in to do the work themselves. At the end of the day, if they go to court, they'll have a much better understanding if they put their cases together themselves and more able to see off their opponents.

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Done a few, the site is great many people are just not up to the job of researching, so it gets a bit grim helping out dim / lazy people, who will keep coming back asking you to do all the work for them.

 

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Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

Others

 

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GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

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Goldlady not you of course Dalmations are known for their intelligence and sang-froid.

Yes, probably a bit too sweeping a generalisation about first timers, some are charming.

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Hello l've bumped a few and given a welcome to a few more, sorry l don't feel clever enough to actually give any advice!

 

The most important thing is to get the posts which are unanswered back up to the top Elliesnan. It doesn't really matter whether you can offer any advice or not, the fact that you have bumped the post up will pop a sub into the OP's e-mails and also bring it to the attention of other members who may have some experience on the OP's situation but may not have been around for a few days ;)

 

Goldlady not you of course Dalmations are known for their intelligence and sang-froid.

Yes, probably a bit too sweeping a generalisation about first timers, some are charming.

 

What you have to realise Rex is that some people may never have been on a forum before and may be generally panicking and looking for help urgently. I know because I was one of them :eek: I didn't even know where the Welcome Forum was :D

 

We're all here to help each other in whatever way we can :)

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hiya all

 

i know in the past ive tried to have a go, and i feel that even if i can offer a welcome to the site message, and assure the new poster that more experienced people will come along soon, and if they have had no reponse to bump it up

 

at least its a small gesture that there are people here to help

 

it does take time to go through the site, and it is about self learning too, im forever learning from others and the site every day

 

i just wanted to promise now i will tackle each day as much as i can to new posters

 

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Thanks angel.:)

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I've previously mentioned the amount of news/rss feeds there are, it is difficult to help people if one has to wade through pages of these feeds, some information is quite old.

Can anything be done.

 

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I've asked Webmaster to look into this.

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yes ive noticed re this too, when ive posted a few replies over the past couple of days

 

i try to go back a week cos im here most days but then get diverted,,,lol

 

or distracted by all this other stuff i go and read,,,

 

but ive done a few anyway but yes most helpful if those types can be stored in one area then anyone with a few mins spare for reading purposes can take a gander

 

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Ive not read all of this thread so not sure if it has been put forward but it might be worth asking the administrators if there could be something put in place so that when people are getting advice and then halfway through it then no one is helps and advice goes quiet. Seen loads whereby they've been bumped and then no one helps.

 

So for example if the thread gets bumped twice it shows in a search as well.

 

Must admit Im still to chicken to give advice sometimes, I sometimes get half way through writing something then press delete as dont want to give the wrong advice I think its down to all the legal words I find difficult to understand :p

 

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Keeksta, if posts are bumped and there is no response and you feel urgent help is needed, hit the triangle (bottom right) and report the post to ask the Site Team for help. Only do this if you feel that a response is needed "urgently" though - don't forget, the Site Team are few and voluntary and CAG is a massive site ;)

 

So for example if the thread gets bumped twice it shows in a search as well.

I think that's a very good idea :) Yet another one for Webby to sort!

 

Must admit Im still to chicken to give advice sometimes, I sometimes get half way through writing something then press delete as dont want to give the wrong advice I think its down to all the legal words I find difficult to understand
No one will chastise you for trying to help but will correct you if your advice is not quite right. I would rather try and help and have someone tell me I've not got it totally right than not help at all - after all, we are all learning all the time. If you're not sure of the legal jargon (I'm not good at this either lol), then explain it in laymans terms or as you understand it, often that is what is more understandable for some, if that makes sense. Someone will correct you if they think that what you have posted is incorrect.

 

If you don't know what advice to give, then a simple "bump" will help many - I've done it myself on several occasions :D

 

Do read through this thread from the beginning, there's lots of good info and it will help you to help others.

 

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Don't worry about getting everything into legalese. Don't forget that we're litigants in person in court if we have no solicitor, and the judges don't expect it to be done the same way as the professionals would do. As long as the content is there, that's the main thing.

 

Any help is always much appreciated.

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Check out the threads below for updates on the DCA's that I am dealing with.

 

GE Money/CL Finance/Howard Cohen & Co - AND - Aktiv Kapital/Appleton Massey Solicitors - IN COURT

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Thanks Andy. The more we all help each other the better.;)

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