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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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Thank you for your comments - I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by Mags but if there is no appeal there is no appeal. I don't know how long it would take them to send me a copy of the byelaws - I saw from schedule 20 Transport Act 2000 they are obliged to supply a copy free of charge - and if I had a copy it's not obvious what I would gain. (I'm not a lawyer.)

 

I am getting the impression I shall have to pay but maybe there is no harm in phoning the number and querying on the basis that the ticket says I was parked for an hour and I was entitled to do that.

 

The ticket says that if you pay by cheque the cheque "must be endorsed on the reverse with your name and address". What if I send a cheque without stating my address? (My name is shown on the cheque.) Is that not a valid payment? Why am I obliged to reveal my address? If I pay the £30 without revealing my address can they claim more, or claim I haven't paid by not banking my cheque? Surely not?

 

I am irritated this appears very likely to cost me £30 [not least because it would have cost me £30 even if I hadn't paid the £10.50 day parking fee] but I am very keen it doesn't end up costing me more than that.

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Do I have to reveal my address when paying?

 

If you are thinking of paying, and they don't say anything like "please provide your address so that we may send a receipt" then I wouldn't reveal my address unnecessarily to anyone.

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Thanks all for the advice provided...I'd have paid UKPC had i not stumbled onto these threads...I got a ticket at 9am on Sunday morning visiting a friend at his privately owned flat, three of us got tickets including the owner of the flat in his own residents space!!

Ive got to the point of 3 seperate threatening red letters from debt recovery plus limited. Interestingly each time i send a letter stating my intention to contest the fine UKPCC write back offering to let me pay at the original reduced rate!!

One question I do have however!!!....

On looking on the sites of UKPCC and DEBT RECOVERY PLUS, they list supposedly succesful court actions made by themselves and stated cases of court cases involving private parking prosecutions - has anyone looked into these to see if they are legit?? (my only remaining concern).

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On looking on the sites of UKPCC and DEBT RECOVERY PLUS, they list supposedly succesful court actions made by themselves and stated cases of court cases involving private parking prosecutions - has anyone looked into these to see if they are legit?? (my only remaining concern).

If they thought they stood a chance at court, people would not get the endless begging letters with worthless threats. It would be one letter then court, doesn't happen, ever wonder why?

It is all about bluff, don't fall dor it.

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One question I do have however!!!....

On looking on the sites of UKPCC and DEBT RECOVERY PLUS, they list supposedly succesful court actions made by themselves and stated cases of court cases involving private parking prosecutions - has anyone looked into these to see if they are legit?? (my only remaining concern).

 

You're reading something into what they say that isn't actually there at all.

 

They do not claim these are CCJ's obtained for PPC tickets only that they have obtained CCJ's against a list of people and since they chase all manner of debts could be for a whole range of issues. Pound to a penny, not a single one of those is for a PPC ticket.

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I received my forth begging letter today demanding the £100.00 over parking fee... :eek:... The final warning letter (or so they say) :) before I go to court... :p The 3rd letter was the final letter (or so I thought) :D before I was supposed to go to court...:shock:

They threaten me with £50.00 :razz: solicitor fees £30.00 court costs :rolleyes:

Bring it on…cant wait.. ;)

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hi

I'm a newbie here and hope you can help. It's great to have a forum like this, and I really object to cowboy hustlers trying to intimidate me into paying out hard earned cash. I've read some threads, and looked through some template letters, and i hope you can help.

 

I have had several offical 'proper' council parking fines before, stuck to my windscreenk and duly paid them. However, I received a dodgy looking letter on 31st March, stating that a CCTV camera had recorded my car 'parked in contravention at hte location stated below'. Then saying I had to pay £50 which would go up to £75 blah di blah. They had my correct home address and car details, which I now know come from the DVLA (outrageous).

 

I was going to pay without thinking, when I decided that the 'bill' looked dodgy. Anyone heard of 'Private Car Parking Enforcement Agency'? I googled the website and called the number. I spoke to a Leah Robinson at 2.10pm on 9th April., When I asked her if her company was legal, or if they were just trying to extort money from and to speak to the manager, she put me on hold and noone else came to the phone. I then found this site, and sent the first template letter asking on what basis they feel I've entered into any contract. At the time, I looked for any no-parking signs, and didn't see any. If I'd seen a 'no parking' sign, I wouldn't have parked there!

 

They replied saying I was parked on private land and parking is only permitted by way of permit. I did not see any such signs, I haven't been back to take pictures, but I will.

 

The letter says there are large contractual warning signs at the entrances to the roads in close procimity to where my vehicle was parked. I did not see any! I ignored the next letter, and now have another one saying they haven't received payment and if I don't pay £75 in 14 days, I'll owe them £135. If I don't pay that, they'll seek to recover through the county court, 'adding further cost to sums owed.'

 

Any advice? Most people seem to say ignore it. I don't know whether to send another template, or let them send more threatening letters. I really feel angry that these bullies feel they can extort money from me. I did not see ANY signs saying no parking. If you think I should send another template letter, which one would that be?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice offered.

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Any advice? .

Yes, you have done far too much already, do what you should have done in the first place and ignore them completely.

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I have now had 3 letter from Parking Eye, and finally today a letter from CCS Collect (Debt Collectors). But on Parking Eyes initail letters the payment was going to go from £50 to £80 to £110, but the Debt Collectors are asking for £140.

 

How long will this go on for? I'm getting bored now.

 

I take it I should just ignore it

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for £2.50 a go. the DVLA says it only recovers the costs of processing but if thats true then you have to ask why they only charge councils 5p for an electronic request.

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I've just received my 4th letter dated 22 May, saying 'Final Notice', notification of court proceedings. They are saying to date they've not received payment. I'm now required to pay £135 immediately. If I don't, they will seek to recover the charge throught the county court, adding further costs. If I am unable to pay due to financial difficulties I must contact them immediately.

 

Do I continue to ignore?

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To : barnyboot.

 

What is your current situation re the PPC fiasco, are they taking you to court or have they gone quiet, have the letters ceased?

 

Has any of you on here successfully achieved satisfaction and an end to all correspondence by the 'do nothing and ignore' method ?

 

I can find a lot of people who have grudgingly paid the initial charge, BUT, has anyone actually been summoned and fined or been visited by the balif's ?

 

Thanks, would appreciate any reply as I can just feel the hook ( received a parking notice from parking-eye last week ) but at the minute the line is still slack !!

 

Cheers, Johnny.

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FINED they CANT FINE YOU its a civil invoice

 

as for baliffs they cant send them till its been to court and IF you did actually loose then refuse to pay what the court ordered

 

there are 1000's of posts , take a little time to read them , it will explain how the [problem] works

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would appreciate any reply as I can just feel the hook ( received a parking notice from parking-eye last week ) but at the minute the line is still slack !!

Here's Parking Eye's letter chain:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/156986-parking-charge-notice-parking-6.html#post2652589

 

just ignore everything

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