Private Parking Tickets - General discussion points

[akarim]

I would just like to endorse what 'plastics' says - 'letshelp' truly is a help for people like me who panic about these sort of letters. Keep up the good work!

 

(I suspect I'll be seeking further reassurance sometime fairly soon!)

 

 

Hi YorkshireWorrier, I got PCN notice from parking eye today for over stay at morrision car park, after reading threads on this site, I'm thinking to ignore it, has anyone been successful in just ignoring it? hows things going with you? or is it best to responed with with templates suggested by Bernie? Like you, I'm bit worried but having read stuff on this site I'm now clalm. but on the another hand whats the worst that can happen? have pay the full fine? but I tell you what I will only do so at last resort i.e via court? Should I just ignore the PCN letter or respond? Would be good to find out if anyones been successfull in just ignoring it?

[Michael Browne]

Have a read of all these Parking Eye threads:

Parking Eye: site:consumeractiongroup.co.uk - Google Search

 

AFAIK there's not one instance where they have issued a court claim, despite their threatening letters.

[akarim]

Have a read of all these Parking Eye threads:

Parking Eye: site:consumeractiongroup.co.uk - Google Search

 

AFAIK there's not one instance where they have issued a court claim, despite their threatening letters.

 

the more read these threads more I come to that conclusion too (especially al27's response in 2008), I guess I will be just ignoring their letters then. will keep this thread posted on how it goes.

I hear you can use internet forums from prison so if do go to prison I will also keep you posted

[SouthPaw365]

Hi All, firstly, sorry for yet another story that im sure will end in 'ignore' but that confirmation is good. I think my situation is a bit different as everyone else seems to have had tickets and I just got a letter.

 

i parked in B&Q for my first day at work, and a few days later got the letter about a £50 fine, There was NEVER a sign up, yet when i went to check theres a small yellow sign which must have been put up on the day i checked it, which was half way up a lamppost!

 

I intend to ignore the letter, however i also parked in there for half a day the day after. Do Parking Eye use spy cars at all?? Ive read that these are proven to be illegal. Like everyone else im just looking for some legal clarity on it.

 

PS: excellent site, I will be back again soon without doubt! love the internet!

[crem]

Wilst you may feel your situation is different, can I assure you it isn't.

 

Procedure

1 Ignore

2 Ignore some more

3 Return to 1

[akarim]

Hi All, firstly, sorry for yet another story that im sure will end in 'ignore' but that confirmation is good. I think my situation is a bit different as everyone else seems to have had tickets and I just got a letter.

 

i parked in B&Q for my first day at work, and a few days later got the letter about a £50 fine, There was NEVER a sign up, yet when i went to check theres a small yellow sign which must have been put up on the day i checked it, which was half way up a lamppost!

 

I intend to ignore the letter, however i also parked in there for half a day the day after. Do Parking Eye use spy cars at all?? Ive read that these are proven to be illegal. Like everyone else im just looking for some legal clarity on it.

 

PS: excellent site, I will be back again soon without doubt! love the internet!

 

I didnt get ticket, I got a letter which was a parking charge notice via post if thats what you mean by letter? similar picture posted on this thread http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/156986-parking-charge-notice-parking.html

 

From the letter it seems they have camaras recording vehicles entering and exiting the car park.

 

First of all, I'm sure you read most of the threads here, after which you felt lot calm and happy? which is what I felt, so well done to the guys of this site. anyway can't comment much other then I plan to ignore parking spys PCN I got today so I don't have any experience as yet.

 

 

Few things I came across when doing research Landmark ruling could see thousands of parking tickets from spy camera cars scrapped | Mail Online

 

above link is about council, and private parking company are private company who I'm told dont any legal rights to do jack **** under the parking rules expecially in parks which are free even if you do overstay. ( other then give some people sleepless nights I guess.)

 

I'm actually looking forward seeing how many letters I get. From the guys who had same experience I'm told I will get 5 to 6 threatening letters.

 

good luck dude.

[SouthPaw365]

thanks for the replies guys, after reading everything online I think its obvious at my approach.

 

love the procedure you set out Crem, I shall embed it into my head for the future! if any of you are around bristol, ill use the £50 im saving through ignorance and take you out for a pint ( infact lets all park in B&Q and walk to our chosen pub)!!!

 

cheers all.

[YorkshireWorrier]

Hi - I didn't get a ticket either. The first I knew about my alleged 'offence' was when I got the first begging letter in the post. I'm hanging in there for now.

[mrseggs152]

hi all its me again. i was here in september of last year complaining about someone i know parking in a disabled bay at the supermarket (because the ma&pa spaces were occupied by old people having a picnic and work vans....very fair)

well after ignoring for five months, they got another letter this week off some dude called kenneth white begging for over £200 now.

i've told them to ignore it some more. after all, its been five months, i forgot what i was doing yesterday, let alone who was contravening a FREE parking space in a car i might own at some point last year.

i've advised the person in question to keep ignoring as a matter of principle now, i mean, £200? come on! i could have invented my own Travel sized, pop it in your brief case multistory car park with that sum. ok, maybe a little bit out there but still.

how long before these clowns give up??

[vax2002]

Here is my advice.

open and save all letters from the company, do not under any circumstances take the bait and reply, that is exactly what they require, a target to attach the leach to.

ignore all correspondence until the extremely unlikely event you receive a official court summons which will be stamped with the court coat of arms.

if in the meantime private bailiffs arrive ask them for a copy of any court papers giving them authority, if they have them, make a note of the court and case number instruct the bailiffs the case is subject to appeal and call the police to remove them to "prevent a disturbance of the peace"

then issue a appeal on the grounds you were not served papers, the case will intermediately struck out

If they have no court papers, immediately call the police and ask them to attend to prevent a disturbance of the peace ask the police to remove them from the property.

If you receive county court summons

This is where you become involved. look at the document, is this your local county court ? if not write back to the issuing court and ask for the case to be transferred to your local county court. this will require a immediate cash payment of £85 by the company attempting to sue you to move the case to your local county court, or it is struck out.

at this point they will not want to pay £85 to sue someone who will not even answer a letter, as well as travel to your location to attend court from a head office, so the towel will most likely get thrown in here.

if you do go to court and they turn up, use the defence that the fine is unlawful as under the Bill of rights only a judge has the legal right to levy fine or forfeiture, as this is a fine or forfeiture, the action at this court is in relation to collection of such fine, then demand it be struck out as no processes of justice has occured in relation to the legality of such fine.

if the judge decides against you, appeal the decision on the same grounds as above.

basically, they have no legal right to issue with a fine under UK law and this is how to fight.

never take the bate and reply to bogus letters,it is to admit of guilt.

hope this helps

Edited February 10, 2010 by vax2002

[letshelp]

Your faith in the calling the Police to remove bailiffs to prevent a Breach of the Peace is touching. You, and they will have died of old age before the cops show.

Regarding any court documents, they will probably have been issued in the claimants local court or the bulk online centre, as soon as you indicate your desire to defend the case it will automatically be moved to your local court.

The Police, HMRC and the Council can also issue fines.

regards

[vax2002]

No they can issue fixed penalty notices which if not paid leads to a court appearance, therefore a process of justice is in force.

Private parking fines have no process of justice so a judge can not force fine or forfeiture upon you as it is a private matter, so he can not uphold a fine.

The subject of fines issued by private parking wardens by the council is also attempted to be subject to test cases under this bill of right legislation, however campaigners have been unable to get a local council to proceed with enforcement once the bill of rights is presented as defence, they just drop the case, because they know they are on very rocky ground.

With respect to court documents, you have a case for automatic strike out of any claim or liability order if you have reasonable evidence to show that the company claiming the money failed to disclose your correct location to the court or that you did not receive the papers allowing you to form a defence, the process to strike out a claim is reliant on the claiment proving other wise.

With reference to the local court, a little know dodge is once served you have the right to have your case heard at your local court, you can apply to have the case heard locally and the claimant must pay.

This shocks the claimant when they are asked to cough up yet another charge and visit your local court instead of the one around the corner from the office, often this is enough to make them drop it like a hot brick.

In short, if it is a private parking notice issued on private land :

Remove it, do not open it thus avoiding having a notice served upon you, leave it a the scene.

Do not reply to letters, or you have just told them who to harass, just save them and if they go for court, defend the case under the bill of rights.

Remember you do not have to provide a private company with ANY information that may incriminate you.

[letshelp]

No they can issue fixed penalty notices which if not paid leads to a court appearance, therefore a process of justice is in force.

 

A fixed penalty notice is a fine.

Private parking fines have no process of justice so a judge can not force fine or forfeiture upon you as it is a private matter, so he can not uphold a fine.

 

Read the threads you are going over old ground.

The subject of fines issued by private parking wardens by the council is also attempted to be subject to test cases under this bill of right legislation, however campaigners have been unable to get a local council to proceed with enforcement once the bill of rights is presented as defence, they just drop the case, because they know they are on very rocky ground.

 

State cases or credible reports.

With reference to the local court, a little know dodge is once served you have the right to have your case heard at your local court, you can apply to have the case heard locally and the claimant must pay.

 

Hardly a little known dodge, it is in fact common knowledge. Mentioned on this and many other sites.

This shocks the claimant when they are asked to cough up yet another charge and visit your local court instead of the one around the corner from the office, often this is enough to make them drop it like a hot brick.

In short, if it is a private parking notice issued on private land :

Remove it, do not open it thus avoiding having a notice served upon you, leave it a the scene.

Do not reply to letters, or you have just told them who to harass, just save them and if they go for court, defend the case under the bill of rights.

 

People normally defend the case on the simple premis that a private company cannot issue a fine, or the sum claimed is far in excess of their actual costs, no mention of the Bill of Rights.

 

Remember you do not have to provide a private company with ANY information that may incriminate you.

 

Thanks for that, it is what we have been saying for years, welcome to the forum.

regards

[lamma]

incriminate ? ? ?

[akarim]

I didnt get ticket, I got a letter which was a parking charge notice via post if thats what you mean by letter? similar picture posted on this thread http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/156986-parking-charge-notice-parking.html

 

From the letter it seems they have camaras recording vehicles entering and exiting the car park.

 

First of all, I'm sure you read most of the threads here, after which you felt lot calm and happy? which is what I felt, so well done to the guys of this site. anyway can't comment much other then I plan to ignore parking spys PCN I got today so I don't have any experience as yet.

 

 

Few things I came across when doing research Landmark ruling could see thousands of parking tickets from spy camera cars scrapped | Mail Online

 

above link is about council, and private parking company are private company who I'm told dont any legal rights to do jack **** under the parking rules expecially in parks which are free even if you do overstay. ( other then give some people sleepless nights I guess.)

 

I'm actually looking forward seeing how many letters I get. From the guys who had same experience I'm told I will get 5 to 6 threatening letters.

 

good luck dude.

 

update: Today I've received my second letter, although it hasn't yet been 14 days since last one, this one includes the picture of the car going in and out of the car park. It says I if I pay within 4 days its £40 others its £70. Obviously plan to ignore

[crem]

update: Today I've received my second letter, although it hasn't yet been 14 days since last one,

 

Not a surprise. I don't think they can actually count to such a high number as 14

[nonillcarb]

Excellent work! Thanks to all who contributed to the last 40 pages.

 

Clearly the accepted wisdom is NOT TO REPLY to the private car park [problematic] 'tickets'. I will follow this ans see what happens!

 

Question: Is there any way my credit rating can be affected if they do not take me to court?

 

Thanks

non illigitiam carborundum (yes, I know it's not proper Latin!)

[lamma]

Answer = No.

[letshelp]

Answer = No.

Seconded.

[jama4]

I'm currently on letter three from parking eye. CCS Collect are now asking for £110

 

I will be putting this in the bin with the rest of them and ignoring anything else they send me.

[melodrama]

Yesterday my husband received 2 PCNs in the same car park, 2 hours apart, one for exceeding the parking period and the other for leaving the car park. Has anyone else had the same experience? If it had just been the one ticket I would probably have paid it without thinking, but 2!! So I did a search online and found this forum. They want £70 each ticket, rising to £94 after 28 days. What a joke!

 

Thanks to everyone who has submitted advice, the most helpful to me being IGNORE, but also, unless you go to court and don't pay the resulting fine, then you won't get a CCJ. So absolutely nothing to lose.

[crem]

First time I have heard of a PPC trying it on with 2 scamvoices at the same time. I think you may be a member of an exclusive club achieving this.

 

As a result, you do realise you now need to work twice as hard at ignoring twice as much junk mail that may come your way. :lol:

[melodrama]

First time I have heard of a PPC trying it on with 2 scamvoices at the same time. I think you may be a member of an exclusive club achieving this.

 

As a result, you do realise you now need to work twice as hard at ignoring twice as much junk mail that may come your way. :lol:

 

 

That's the REALLY annoying bit. I'm so incensed, they will have to take to court to get any response from us.

[SouthPaw365]

I got my second letter recently, with attached pictures of my car from a shockingly high camera . .brilliant!

 

Knowing I can ignore it is a nice feeling though. Little chance of rebellion, i like it!

 

keep it up guys, good work!

[heinzbeanz47]

hi there all i haven't posted for a few months now but would like to inform you all that no action has yet been taken after having 5/6 letters from UKPC . The last i heard was a begging letter late november last year, asking for half of the charge! as a gesture of goodwill from ukpc (they were willing to reduce the charges) lol . What a farce!! . Anyway i stress that I DID NOT ONCE contact them or make any correspondence at all. So please ignore and don't be scared . It is alarming at first but then you think well my solicitor is on my side and so is this forum! so bugger off you thieves. good luck all . x:-)