Thats it in a nutshell, most PPC's realise court is a no win situation even if they win they lose! So even after POFA they still use the same old method. Newlyn can do nothing accept send letters.

Was the one you got on the first of September a notice to keeper, and what did you do regarding it?

As above anything you are going to rely on in court in your defence has to be produced, as anything they are going to use has to be produced to you.

You can safely ignore that one as their not BPA AOS members they wont be able to acquire your details from the DVLA, they are simply relying on the unknowing paying on the screen notice.

+ 1 I think even CEL would have to accept you had a valid reason to overstay.

Just to give you a bit of encouragement the last two of these similar ones I have seen which went to POPLA VCS offered no evidence and withdrew, I believe they know they are stretching the conditions of POFA in issuing these charges for stopping on a road. Although in your case you didnt even do that!

I understand, we can all sit here and advise but it is you who has to deal with it. Unfortunately the only way you can make it go away at this point is to pay £60. Or appeal if you appeal to VCS the discounted period would be extended until they accepted or rejected your appeal. It would give you more time to get advice and to think about dealing with it or going to a POPLA appeal.

What you have is a parking charge notice, not a fine, not a penalty and can only be enforced through a civil court. To get better advice you need to let us know why you received it. Dont know where that legal advice came from but its pretty bad!

I would not use CAB their advice is woeful regarding these things. They believe these things are legitimate. They will probably say appeal it and if you lose pay it. I normally go around the outside but after you told me where it was you were parked I went down that way. Anyone picking someone up from any of the buildings down there has to stop on the road, every entrance is gated. As I said I would not go near C A B for advice on one of these but its your choice.

If it was me I would appeal on the point that you never parked on the roadways or double yellow lines, their own conditions that they allege you contravened actually state that you can't park on the DYL or roadways you didnt. It should actually say no parking within the industrial estate, what is also confusing is that part of the estate is adopted roads, only the back part has these signs erected. If you appeal keep it simple then use use every option available to you at POPLA. It would be hard for them to prove that £100 is a genuine pre estimate of loss by you parking for a few minutes. I am sure others will add their thoughts.

Pictures of signs as promised. [ATTACH=CONFIG]46906[/ATTACH] Seems the only restriction is not stopping or parking on the double yellow lines and the roadways.

You say the signs are UKPC yet you have a claim of PE ?

Most parking eye car parks are CCTV controlled in out timing, they way they monitor if you have paid is you input your reg no into the ticket machine. Did you input an incorrect VRM?

Its a joke there is hardly ever any traffic along that road. I am down that way tomorrow I will check but I am sure the signs state you will receive a charge if you stop or park on the roadway! Similar to the JLA approach road.

Its not a fine its a parking charge you don't have to pay it, you have two choices you can ignore it completely and hope they go away, or you can appeal to them which will inevitably be rejected then appeal to POPLA. The only way you could be forced to pay is if they took you to court and they won. The last time they tried this they got mauled by the judge, so unless they feel a lot more confident I can't see them being too keen. I notice your in Widnes this isn't anything to do with John Lennon airport or the estuary industrial estate in Speke is it?

Do you mean Vehicle Control Services aka VCS from Sheffield?

Without being party to the incident its difficult to give an opinion, did the PCSO give you a reason why they thought you were causing an unnecessary obstruction? Anyone can complain if they think any offence is being committed. The problem with fighting it at court is if you are found guilty you will no doubt have considerably more to pay.

The only appeal for a fixed penalty notice from the police is the magistrates court. Police FPN's for obstruction are difficult to defend as you can be given one if it is the police officers opinion that you are causing an obstruction even somewhere you're entitled to park. The FPN is an offer to settle the matter without a court hearing. I would wager that someone has complained that you were parked there!

So who's the troll? I see a different point of view equals troll? Since March over 1400 claims have been issued by PE alone, I would say the bulk of these claims were ignorers who thought they would go away. At a court hearing if you could show that you had tried to resolve this matter using every other form then that would work in your favour. As a for instance a 73 year old woman gets woken up by a bailiff knocking at her door with a distress warrant for £374 for a CCJ in parking eyes name! Why because her daughter said to her don't worry mum these are unenforceable invoices just ignore them! Unfortunately she took the ignore everything too literally and ignored a court claim and a judgement. The next day her daughter paid the bailiff £374. I would add that with a turnover of nearly £14M then their propaganda seems to be working, unfortunately.

They are claiming "breach" of contract rather then trying to claim for a contractually agreed sum, that would be a penalty. They if they have the right to sue would be entitled by a breach of contract to be returned to the position they were in before the allege breach was committed. So in a free car park that would be £0. If they are going to relay on the CCTV evidence they would need to produce the complete unredacted images from your first entrance to the second exit. As ericsbrother has pointed out try and find as much evidence of you using the post office twice, were you posting tracked items, or signed for items, these have a time of receipt on them. Once a good defence is offered I would wager they would drop it or not turn up.

They are making plenty hence why their not to bothered about losing money on each claim, but the propaganda seems to be working. Accounts for 2012 TURNOVER £13,916.437 OPERATING PROFIT £4.477.095 PROFIT BEFORE TAX £4,436,569 PROFIT FOR YEAR £3,287,064

If you look at JMW solicitors website you can send someone a LBA for £5 plus VAT, these parasite PPC's are probably getting quantity discount!

Theres plenty of bottom feeders out there to chose from.

"Mr Robbo" has asked you to stop making reference to him unless you are answering something I have posted. Myself and others where here fighting PPC's long before you came on this site, and long before you started making Monty Python videos taunting Roxburghe! Did you ever wonder why they decided to take you too court? Yes if backfired on them spectacularly but it still involved time and effort to resolve. Now talking about adding something beneficial then why don't you lead the way, instead of just continually asking someone to prove something? Why on earth would someone purchase 35 transcripts of a case that wasn't theirs to prove a point? Kirbky unlike his 2013 joining date has been here a lot longer then you realise! I don't back anyone or anything up unless I see them unfairly accused of something. Once again I ask you not to mention me unless you are answering something I post or something relevant to me.

I agree we should keep it civil if the dedications stop! I dont need to score points I have enough history on this site for people to make their own minds up about me.