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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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hi does anyone out there work for whirlpool? I purchased a whirlpool side by side fridge freezer 18 months ago the temperature in the fridge side will not work properly although it shows -24 on the freezer side and 2 on the fridge it is not at that temperature.Surely it should last longer than 18 months for domestic use

 

I purchased it from Curry's online, Whirlpool wont repair it without charging me an arm and a leg. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks Freya

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Hiya, I don't work for Whirlpool but to be honest your first port of call should be Currys as your 'contract' for the ggods lies with them, not the manufacturer. Under the Sale of Goods Act:

 

The Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) says that goods should be as follows:

 

This means the goods must meet the standards that any reasonable person would expect, taking into account the description, the price and all other relevant information. In some circumstances, the retailer may be liable for any statement made by the manufacturer about the goods.

 

Satisfactory quality includes the appearance and finish of the goods, their safety and durability and whether they are free from defects (including minor faults)

 

  • Fit for the purpose

that goods of this type are generally sold. They must also be fit for any specific or particular purpose made known to the seller at the time of the agreement.

 

  • As described

- goods should correspond with any description applied to them.

 

Email Curry's ( best to keep all correspondence in writing ) and see what they say. Under the Act the goods should last for a 'reasonable time' but this isn't specified and will vary depending on the goods. It's usually accepted that the time goods should last is how long any 'reasonable person' would expect similar goods to last... I would certainly expect a brand new fridge-freezer to last longer than 18 months...

 

Good luck! :)

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Thanks for your help I have emailed them I will now wait to here what they say .

I had previously spoken to them on the telephone they told me it was not their problem. I would have to contact the repairs telephone number and pay for the repair myself.I will let you know what happens.Thanks again Freya.

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No problem, good luck with it. I've also had a look on the OFT ( Office of Fair Trading ) website which links to this Consumer Direct . There's specific info regarding electrical goods:

 

If you have used them more than a few times or have had a reasonable opportunity to check them, you are probably still entitled to a repair or replacement. A repair should be carried out within a reasonable period of time and without causing you significant inconvenience. Any repair should restore goods to a satisfactory condition. If this does not happen, you are entitled to a replacement or compensation. This could be a sum of money or the cost of hiring a temporary replacement, or perhaps the loan of a replacement.

If the goods cannot be replaced or repaired economically, you are entitled to a refund. The trader may make a reduction from the price you paid to allow for the use you have had from the goods.

 

If things go wrong

 

If you determine that there is a problem with the electrical goods you have purchased, do the following.

  • If you can, stop using the goods at once.
  • Check there really is a fault - read the instructions carefully.
  • Be certain that the fault was not caused by misuse, an accident or by not following the instructions.
  • If you can, collect together any instructions, leaflets, packaging etc which came with the goods. Pack them all up with the goods.
  • Locate your proof of purchase. If you haven’t got a receipt, you can use a credit card voucher or cheque stub. Own-brand goods, something exclusive to one shop (such as a customised carrier bag) or the packaging may prove where you bought the item. If someone was with you when you bought it, they can back you up. Remember - it is up to you to show where and when you bought the goods.

You will now need to contact the trader straight away and report the problem. If you bought the goods locally, visit the trader. Take the item, the packaging (if possible) and any proof of purchase with you. If you cannot take the goods back to the shop, either phone or write to the trader.

 

 

Hope this is useful - by the looks of it you can go direct to this site and seek further help if Curry's won't play ball...

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edit: incorrect info.

 

 

Big Blue One what is the correct info I still haven't got my fridge fixed 2 weeks on. They told me to find out whats wrong with it get the part and have it fixed.In other words do it myself, Currys are officially crap.

 

I have no idea what to do next.

 

 

Freya

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Thanks to everyone who sent messages to me with help. I managed to get it repaired and get Currys to pay for the repair plus depreciated credit too. A good result all round even if it did take a couple of months.

 

Kind regards Freya x

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Freya

We are having the same problem with our 16 month old side by side fridge/freezer. After your repair had been done - has the appliance worked ok since?

I am about to try my retailer quoting "sale of goods act" satisfactory and durable condition.

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Hi, I purchased a Whirlpool side by side fridge freezer 3 years ago from Whirlpool direct. 3 months later the fridge started freezing. An engineer called & replaced the diffuser. After the fifth time the diffuser had been replaced over the next 2 years, lots of time wasted on the phone, unanswered letters, fresh food being frozen & having to be thrown away, waiting in for the engineer & being told by Whirlpool that "as the appliance is in full working order at the moment (after the engineer has been & fixed it!), we cannot offer you a replacement" we had had enough. The next time it froze, we arranged for the engineer to come & inspect it but refused to let him fix it. Contacted Whirlpool, who contacted the engineer & eventually got a replacement fridge/freezer, Jan 07.No fridge over Xmas & new year-nightmare! Guess what, we have just had to chuck most of what was in the replacement fridge as it froze. There were even shards of ice in my beer. Well, that was nice actually.

It is 7:15 pm & I am waiting for the engineer to call round to fix this latest problem. (the diffuser was replaced again)

The after sales of Whirlpool has been very poor. Deny deny deny seems to be their anthem. It does not take a rocket scientist to work out that if you have had to change the same part six times, the problem lies somewhere else!

Anyway, the moral of the story is, keep complaining. List and keep detailed accounts of all your calls & copies of letters & if needs be, threaten them with small claims court action, as this seems to be the only language they understand.Trading standards helped & supported us.

We'd be interested in hearing from others who've had this continuous complaint-especially if it was sorted out.

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Hi I have the same problem as Freya with my whirlpool fridge freezer and Christmas is approaching fast! Unfortunately mine is a lot older so no come back on sale of goods act. I have already paid out within a year of having the fridge a lot of money to an engineer to fit a new circuit board so am loth to go there again. For what was a very expensive piece of kitchen equipment at the time it is rubbish! I will never by a Whirlpool anything again and am seriously thinking of dumping this one. Does anyone know what is actually wrong with it - is it the thermostat? My water dispenser also does not produce any water and makes a loud knocking noise when pushed although ice is still being produced.

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Hey Coolchick,

 

Had my whirlpool side by side fridge freezer for about three years. Occasionally I notice that the fridge side seems to go into overdrive and cool the contents below the set temperature. I also get the knocking sound when using the water dispenser although ice maker seems to work OK. Anyone know what the problem is?

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Hi,

The engineer noticed the banging noise when he was replacing the diffuser a couple of months after we'd had it. It was straight forward and just needed the pipes securing properly. It's quiet again now. We had the circuit board replaced on our first one-didn't stop it from freezing the fridge though. Would never recommend Whirlpool. We did purchase a fridge thermometer to let us know when the temp was dropping. The digital one outside the appliance didn't change when it froze so you had no idea until you opened the fridge. The diffuser lasts a couple of months and then just goes. The life expectancy of a white goods appliance is 5years i think so this stinks!

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best advice i can think of is photo copy all the engineer reports or all the notes you have from day one about the issues and phone/write to curry's / DSGI using the words Sale of goods act.

 

normally you would after such a long period need to get a independant report to prove that it is over freezing due to you striking the fridge damaging it. but providing proof of the ongoing issue with the exact same fault each time should be sufficient.

 

ensure you mention that you are seeking a remedy under 'Sale of Goods Act' otherwise you will definetly get no where.

 

the local stores dont have engineers, they are also not legally trained to deal with SOGA issues. plus they dont have the authority financially to deal with issues beyond 12 months. so i would suggest not involving the store staff as you will not get any results unless you use agressive language to force the staff to refund to shut you up infront of the other customers. or it can simply get you banned from the store.

 

again writing to the head office, customer complaints, customer services department or calling them will get you more action.

 

some retailers wait until the threat of small claims court is mentioned. but try contacting them with proof of on-going issues. tell them that you are no longer accepting another repair as under SOGA you can now request a replacement or recission (refund) because repairs have been tried and failed.

 

although it is many months on, by showing proof of on-going issues you should expect a high percentage back in the form of a refund. if this is the remedy you request

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Hey Simsan

 

I also get the knocking noise and my fridge also freezes food too. It seems we all have the same problem. I have read a post by an engineer on the net which claims that the whirlpool has a design fault in the cooling unit which causes it to ice up and make the polystyrene all soggy and then the fan stops working. Try defrosting I have heard that this works. The engineer replaced my fan unit but a month later it has gone again and the engineer can't come until after Christmas!

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It was interesting to find this thread on the fridge freezers because when I called Whirlpool to say my fridge was freezing they sounded very surprised - but obviously it is a common problem.

We just got it fixed in time under warranty but it has gone again less than two weeks later and is now out of warranty. I've told them I'm not paying for the repair because they failed to fix the fault. I will be awaiting their return to fix it with trepidation.

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Hi guys,

 

I have got exactly the same problem.... and guess what....

Whirlpool were shocked that it is doing this. Mine freezes things in the freezer for 3 days then defrosts them.

 

They sent an engineer out who opened the fridge door and said everything looks fine.... closed it and said there's nothing wrong.

 

At this point it was not frozen....

 

We are so frustrated because not only are we throwing our food away but my babys food too... which means when we wake up baby has no food!!! (of course we feed her an alternative..!!)

 

Any ideas of what the fault actually is???

 

Any help would be much appreciated!

 

Thank you

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Bit late i know but...

 

What is considered reasonable time for fixing a fridge... it has only been a week but with the anticipation it will be at least another before it is fixed... to me this is unreasonable time as a fridge is something of a necessity?...

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Here is a difficult one,

 

i bought a fridge/freezer 2 years ago on the 14 aug 2008. it has stopped working, and i ould like sainsburys to fix it under the sale of good act 1979 as i paid over £800 for it and it is reasonable to expect it to last for more than 2 years.

 

however service was operated for sainsbury's by drl limited, i keep getting passed to either company to deal with this who shall i pursue this with?

 

and is it reasonable to expect a 800 quid fridge frezzer to last more than 2 years? under the sale of good act. It was a whirlpool fridge freezer side by side

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