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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Hiya Andie,

 

Is there any news on your end? Im getting the silent treatment from Welcome these days.

 

I knew you were a girl by the by..

 

What happened on friday with Post? Was anything discovered that would change our paths?

 

Im still gunning for the PPI claim and re-write on my policy. Thats my focus these days, but something one of the accountants that looked at my contract stated.

The breakdown of commisions on brokerage fee...and interest charged. You have to be made aware of commisions and what makes up the brokerage fee, that was news to me. So im going to start checking that out with the FOS.

 

Did you read the posts the other day i listed about Mis-sold PPI and how the FOS are ruling, even with compensation.

 

Stew

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Did you read the posts the other day i listed about Mis-sold PPI and how the FOS are ruling, even with compensation.

 

Stew

 

And yes I did see this - mine is with the courts though so I'm gonna tot up all my phone bills internet bills postage time and everything for a nice big fat costs addition!! :D

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just reading through some welcome blogs on the net and found this, cant belive what they get up to. They should be stoned and flogged in public.

 

 

 

got to say this, as an ex-employee, be very careful of this company. not only are their rates extortionate, not only do they press as many "added value" products onto you as they can, not only do the "massage" the application information to get deals approved, not only do they bully their own staff, they will kick you once you are down. they have a policy to "re-write" or "re-start" bad debt. so once your car or house is sold, they will contact you to re-start the finance, with a new contract over up to 120 months! in other words, you are going to be an interest slave to welcome for the rest of your life! eventually, when you have re-started 2 or 3 new contracts and still cannot keep up payments and when you finally realise you are going to end up paying £15,000 on a £1,000 loan, they will call you out of the blue and offer to write off 50% of the debt (which already includes 5 or 6 or more years additional interest) They also charge £20 per call and £50 per visit so add another £1750 for "admin fees". So my advice, just stop paying the welcome loan now! don't wait, they will bleed every penny out of you. There is no such thing as debtor's jail. they cannot do anything to you, just stop paying that extortionate loan. Now!

 

Ill gladly throw the first stone.

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Hi mojo,

 

firstly are you a boy or girl?

 

The snippet is good and whoever wrote it is a bit tense. Although the numbers are incorrect, essentially the person is right. Welcome lock you in and before you know its a life long commitment that isnt a happy one!

 

Where did this come from ? Are there any other interesting snippets we should be looking at.

 

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hi stewie, dont worry im a guy and i too am looking forward to my night out tonight.

i just typed into google,"welcome finance forums ,blogs" and i just trawled through them as you never know what you may find. Im just trying to find anything that may help our cause.

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Just found another good one.

 

CARE to ANYONE thinking to dealing with this lot.

I am an Ex - employee.

ALL INSURANCES are OPTIONAL. Don't allow Staff to con you into thinking YOU have to take Insurance! YOU Don't. YOU cxan legally demand to have teh insurance (& interest charges on the insurance) WAIVED (assuming it was missold, or you were told you had to have it). Complain to Welcome then the Financial Services Authority. It may take a few weeks, but you can save £thousands.

 

YOU Are protected by LAW! Pass this on to ANYONE you know. ALso....

ANYONE who has taken a secured Loan with this lot can probably get the loan waived (in FULL) & you DONT Have to pay it IF you didnt receive a FULL Cooling Off Period!!). Welcome usually ONLY give 5 - 8 days Cooling Off, however the law states 15 days UNLESS you decide to break it!

 

IF you are enticed into breaking you can still get your loan waived!!! Just speak too FISA or Trading Standards in Nottingham!

Please pass on to everyone.

 

I work here & this lot are a joke when it comes to playing by the rules.

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Just found another good one.

 

CARE to ANYONE thinking to dealing with this lot.

I am an Ex - employee.

ALL INSURANCES are OPTIONAL. Don't allow Staff to con you into thinking YOU have to take Insurance! YOU Don't. YOU cxan legally demand to have teh insurance (& interest charges on the insurance) WAIVED (assuming it was missold, or you were told you had to have it). Complain to Welcome then the Financial Services Authority. It may take a few weeks, but you can save £thousands.

 

YOU Are protected by LAW! Pass this on to ANYONE you know. ALso....

ANYONE who has taken a secured Loan with this lot can probably get the loan waived (in FULL) & you DONT Have to pay it IF you didnt receive a FULL Cooling Off Period!!). Welcome usually ONLY give 5 - 8 days Cooling Off, however the law states 15 days UNLESS you decide to break it!

 

IF you are enticed into breaking you can still get your loan waived!!! Just speak too FISA or Trading Standards in Nottingham!

Please pass on to everyone.

 

I work here & this lot are a joke when it comes to playing by the rules.

where did you find this one?

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just got this off the "which" site

 

Since January 2005, the sale of payment protection insurance (PPI) policies has been regulated by the Financial Services Authority (FSA).

The FSA’s rules are very clear about what firms and advisers selling PPI should do at the time the insurance is sold to you.

Information you should have been given

 

If some or all of this information was not made clear to you either before or at the time you agreed to take out the insurance, then you have grounds to complain.

  • If PPI was optional on the product you bought, this must have been made clear.
  • The adviser should have made you aware of any significant policy exclusions and checked whether any of these exclusions applied to you.
  • The adviser should have made it clear how much the policy would cost and whether the PPI would be paid for by a single up front premium, or by regular premiums.
  • If it was a single premium policy, then the adviser should have made it clear that the cost of the insurance would be added to the loan or finance agreement, and that you would pay interest on the insurance premium.
  • If the insurance expired before your loan or finance agreement, the adviser should have made it clear that this was the case and (in the case of single premium policies) that you would continue to pay interest on the insurance premium after the insurance had expired.

Pressure sales

 

If an adviser tried to persuade you to take out PPI by saying something like ‘we strongly recommend that you consider taking out PPI’, the sale has moved from a ‘non-advised’ to an ‘advised’ sale.

If this happened to you and you did not receive a demands and needs statement (see below), then you have grounds for complaint.

There are certain additional requirements on firms and advisers that carry out ‘advised’ sales.

With an advised sale the adviser must assess whether you need PPI, considering your circumstances and any existing insurance you might have. The adviser must also assess whether the policy, including its costs, is right for you.

Meeting your needs

 

If the policy does not meet all your needs, perhaps because of one of the exclusions, the adviser must clearly tell you which of your needs the policy will not meet and must take this into account when considering whether to recommend the policy to you.

For advised sales

 

With advised sales, the adviser must issue a demands and needs statement to show why a particular policy has been recommended and why it is suitable for you.

Firms or advisers giving advised sales must keep records showing that a suitable recommendation was made, and recording any demands and needs that might not have been met.

Don't give in

 

The company may try to wriggle out of upholding your complaint by saying that all this information was provided to you in writing after the sale. If it does do this, then don't be put off – if they broke the rules, they broke the rules – which means you can complain.

The rules are very clear that you must be given a certain amount of information at the time you are buying the insurance so you can make an informed decision about whether the insurance is right for you or not.

If you weren't told about things like cost and policy exclusions until after you had bought the insurance then you couldn't take these things into account when make your decision.

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Hi all

 

Andie, did a bit of that trawling, shouldn't be too hard to get that info btw. Looking forward to seeing what next week brings, but have to go start the transformation now....its a bit more work nowadays lol

 

Happy Sat night everyone, Beer we go!

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I am in no way a legal advisor and only speak from my own experiences and the helpful advice of those in the same boat! :p

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This week I sent a letter to Welcome saying their agreement is unenforceable (thanks to PeterBard) and I would not be paying anymore, no reply from them yet!! Can I still claim back PPI that was missold? Or does the fact the agreement is unenforceable work both ways? I feel quite bitter that I paid over £6k on something I could never claim on.

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