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I have been posting here for quite some time offering support and assistance with bailiff problems, and, as so many of you know that we legally have details of the names of all certificated bailiffs, we receive either pm's or telephone enquiries from viewers to this site requesting a search of our database to establish whether or not a bailiff is certificated. This is particulary helpful to viewers if the courts are not open for them to check for themselves......always assuming that you know which court to apply to !!

 

For obvious reasons,we always urge that a bailiff's name is NOT put on the site.

 

The reason for this post is that; after returning from a 10 day break, we have received many messages concerning the fact that some of you have had their entire posts deleted from this site because they contained a link to our web site that has recently been set up with the sole intention of helping with all bailiff issues. Unfortunatly, with the exception of the Lawpacks detailed on this site, CAG wlll not allow any links to either our site, or apparently any other site.

 

Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to put a link to our site, but this is not allowed.

 

From your messages,it would appear that many of you were offended, and I apologise..........Herbie.

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And fourthly, I think I have another case for Herbie coming up which she would very much like...

 

Whilst it might be NOT PC to name and shame individuals it seems to be okay to name and shame companies and quote the names of companie employees. Why not have an "only name company and job title of person" policy....

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anyone or any site that highlights the wrongdoings of bailiffs is fantastic in my view. It should also be noted that certain links have been allowed ie tom brennan post and moneysavingexpert etc. If a site helps then I would ask that an admin approves the site we are referring to as approved. Any website that aids us as consumers should surely be allowed to link, the information could be invaluable and save someone from losing their home and possessions. Please reconsider admin.

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herbie I am not a star, I always say things how I see them. I have never been onto the site you are part of, pm me a link please. I am all for the betterment and defense of all consumers. The more information we have then then better armed we are to defend ourselves against DCA, landlords, banks, retailers and blasted bailiffs. They threatened to knock on my door not so long ago. I just smiled, 6ft 4, parachute regt trained and two german shepherds, I looked fwd to their visit, alas it was a no show!

 

I would also like to add that there has to be rules on this site regarding links. If they were not in place then we would get links for allsorts like penis enlargement etc, not that I need that ofcourse, ahem. However I am certain that admins could approve a site that is relative to this one to give our members access to more indepth advice on a particular subject.

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herbie I am not a star, I always say things how I see them. I have never been onto the site you are part of, pm me a link please. I am all for the betterment and defense of all consumers. The more information we have then then better armed we are to defend ourselves against DCA, landlords, banks, retailers and blasted bailiffs. They threatened to knock on my door not so long ago. I just smiled, 6ft 4, parachute regt trained and two german shepherds, I looked fwd to their visit, alas it was a no show!

 

I would also like to add that there has to be rules on this site regarding links. If they were not in place then we would get links for allsorts like penis enlargement etc, not that I need that ofcourse,(ah like father like son) ahem. However I am certain that admins could approve a site that is relative to this one to give our members access to more indepth advice on a particular subject.

 

You have some valid points there calvi36 ,and Herbie keep up the good work;)

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I have just viewed the website and I am not convinced as to why you would wish to link here. You are a private company offering an 090 premium rate number to access downloads, nominal rate being £6.00. I now state that I cannot suggest for one moment that CAG authorises your link as this premium rate number puts those who may face bailiffs at a further disadvantage by ringing a premium rate number. I cannot accept that this could ever be a valid CAG link when a money making scheme is in operation. You openly state that you are a company. If you wish to offer advice free on CAG or to CAG memebrs without them having to visit your site then ofcourse you are welcome. Otherwise I would back the admins 100% in removing your link.

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The reason for this post is that; after returning from a 10 day break, we have received many messages concerning the fact that some of you have had their entire posts deleted from this site because they contained a link to our web site that has recently been set up with the sole intention of helping with all bailiff issues. Unfortunatly, with the exception of the Lawpacks detailed on this site, CAG wlll not allow any links to either our site, or apparently any other site.

 

That is quite incorrect.

 

I think you'll find that links to CAB, CCCS and many others are allowed.

 

CAG does not allow commercial links, links to sites where the advice may be dubious, etc... The company to which you refer charges for the download of documents, and therefore comes under the heading of commercial links. The matter has been discussed at Admin level, and the removal of the links was as a consequence of that discussion.

 

Edit: Sorry, Calvi, I obviously type more slowly than you. ;-)

 

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That is quite incorrect.

 

I think you'll find that links to CAB, CCCS and many others are allowed.

 

CAG does not allow commercial links, links to sites where the advice may be dubious, etc... The company to which you refer charges for the download of documents, and therefore comes under the heading of commercial links. The matter has been discussed at Admin level, and the removal of the links was as a consequence of that discussion.

 

Edit: Sorry, Calvi, I obviously type more slowly than you. ;-)

 

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It's ok Booky, if I had, had the link before I would not have posted at all however I stick by my previous posts, if a link is to the benefit of us all and is not profit making then so be it. If it is profit making then gtf, we have enough issues to deal with without being taken for a ride by someone piggy backing onto cag to make money. If you want to chase an ambulance, find a hospital and enjoy your run!

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After reading the last couple of posts,i still say a lot of people have benefitted from Herbie's (FREE) advice.

With regards to a premium number for downloadable info then sorry that's not on.

As for the link yes it had to be removed as some parts of the site are for commercial gain.saying that there is a lot of free info on it.

CAG has rules and yes on this occasion it was broken with the link,so i have to agree with the mods.

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Thanks to calvi36 for correcting me

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Calvi & Bookworm.

 

This is being most unfair. Let me say right now that the site has been seen by many bailiff companies and the heads of bailiff companies also, and some have suggested minor changes and offered further information on the charging strcture etc. To date, with the execption of CAG we have not received one single complaint.......So I do not think that Bookworms mention of .......advice being ducious.....is either right or fair.

 

To clarify, the site offers over 90 individual pages of helpful advice. Due entirely to the vast amount of time spent on reasearch, we are making a very NOMINAL charge of JUST £6 to download cetain documents. When solicitors are charging a fee of AT LEAST £100 just for an initial visit, I would challenge anyone who thinks our nominal fee is unfair. You may wish to note that 36 firms of solictors have downloaded a copies of the fee scale for Council Tax and Road Traffic debts....so that must say something of the knowledge that many solicitors have on bailiff matters....

 

However, my main concern, is that just yesterday on this same site BankFodder is advertising a legal pack for sale at £11.59 (including postage) entitled "Fight a Motoring Ticket Kit". This provides materials, templates and a CD Rom and come from a firm by the name of Geoffrey Miller Solicitors ......not a charity....I will say no more.....

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Not a point of correction at all setmefree, you believed what you had seen my friend, I think you were deliberately misguided on this one. Am actually so glad I found this company's website and was able to delve a bit deeper. I know for a fact you do not support the use of premium rate numbers nor commercial latch ons to CAG.

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Calvi & Bookworm.

 

This is being most unfair. Let me say right now that the site has been seen by many bailiff companies and the heads of bailiff companies also, and some have suggested minor changes and offered further information on the charging strcture etc. To date, with the execption of CAG we have not received one single complaint.......So I do not think that Bookworms mention of .......advice being ducious.....is either right or fair. ( Whether you believe this to be fair or not is not the issue here, the issue is that you represent a commercial enterprise, for gain) This site operates in a non profit manner for the good and defence of all.

 

To clarify, the site offers over 90 individual pages of helpful advice. Due entirely to the vast amount of time spent on reasearch, we are making a very NOMINAL charge (that's the word that says bye bye)of JUST £6 to download cetain documents. ( Could be £6.00 could be £600.00, why charge at all if you have the documents and you are fully aware that people are in dire straits?) When solicitors are charging a fee of AT LEAST £100 just for an initial visit, ( Advice on CAG is free, if someone wins a case they are free to donate or not to, no charges are levied.)I would challenge anyone who thinks our nominal fee is unfair. (I would definitely challenge you on this, a charge compared to a free service is let's face it totally bloody ridiculous. It is not unfair to your company, course not, you make money from it, it is unfair to charge for the information and advice FREELY AVAILABLE from this site) You may wish to note that 36 firms of solictors have downloaded a copies of the fee scale for Council Tax and Road Traffic debts ( About time they actually learned what charges they were allowed to put on us!)....so that must say something of the knowledge that many solicitors have on bailiff matters....

 

However, my main concern, is that just yesterday on this same site BankFodder is advertising a legal pack for sale at over £11 entitled "Fight a Motoring Ticket Kit". This provides materials, templates and a CD Rom and come from a firm of Solicitors......not a charity....I will say no more.....( This site has to be paid for, the packs available are again non profit, unlike your site, this site does not have a premium rate number to justify it's existence, this site is able to run through contributions not some profit making 75p to £1.75 a minute phone number.)[/quote]

 

 

Thank you admins for spotting this one. Piggy back, try lie back and reap the profits from the needy!

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Calvi & Bookworm.

 

So I do not think that Bookworms mention of .......advice being ducious.....is either right or fair.

 

Please re-read my post, I said OR, citing examples, and clearly established that yours was because of the commercial link.

 

As for the prices you charge, I didn't say anything about being fair, I said CAG doesn't allow links to commercial sites.

 

However, my main concern, is that just yesterday on this same site BankFodder is advertising a legal pack for sale at over £11 entitled "Fight a Motoring Ticket Kit". This provides materials, templates and a CD Rom and come from a firm of Solicitors......not a charity....I will say no more.....

 

Incorrect.

CAG purchases the Lawpacks and resells them at a slight profit so as to cover CAG's running costs, since the level of donations is far from sufficient. We're fast reaching the 150 000 users, and have an average 800 people on the forum at all times, and it takes a lot of money to keep a forum that size running smoothly, to keep giving FREE information and support.

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Many of you will also know that we have provide FREE links to the downloads in cases where it is clear that someone cannot pay £6. And we have done this many times also to members of the public.....and will always do so.

 

Can the same be said for the Motoring Ticket Kit. I somehow doubt it.

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Many of you will also know that we have provide FREE links to the downloads in cases where it is clear that someone cannot pay £6. And we have done this many times also to members of the public.....and will always do so.

 

Can the same be said for the Motoring Ticket Kit. I somehow doubt it.

 

 

Could you post the links to a mod for clarification that it is FREE? If you offer a free service then I would like to see it. I would also like to see how you fund your free site. If it is from your 090 number then it is not so much a free service but an add on to hook people into your regular site.

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Thank you Bookworm. I fully appreciate that business do need money to survive. Mine does in the same way as yours. As debt advisers we have helped near on 800 individuals in the past 6 years. We have just 14 clients that pay a small fee.

 

Mindful of the need to finance this site, our company offered to pay a fee to Consumer Action Group if links were allowed, but you are very well aware that this was refused by the moderators !!!

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It would have been refused by moderators. If you had taken the time to read the site rules, you would have seen that no commercial interests shall interfere with the running of the site. Let me make it clear herbie, what you are attempting to do is to jump on the back of CAG, which is free to all that need it, we do not need private companies offering the same types of service and charging for the service that is FREE here. There is a wealth of knowledge on this site, FREE to all that require it. Your service is NOT free and therefore your link could never be allowed whether or not you offered to pay for it to be linked. Try google ads, they will take yyou onboard at around 10p per click to your website. I have been at odds with mods a cpl of times on CAG and this has always been resolved regarding the rules of the site. Thank you mods and admin for getting this one 100% correct.

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That's because that would be against the ethos of CAG.

 

For clarification, since your sentence could be misinterpreted, CAG is not my site, not even partially, it is Dave's and Bankfodder's. I am only one of the unpaid volunteers.

 

Bottom line is, no outside commercial links are allowed on CAG. You can argue your side any way you like, that won't change a thing. I only came on the thread because you were making some incorrect statements, and I wasn't prepared to let those stand.

 

Edit: Calvi, stop typing faster than me, damnit! :-D

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