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Hi, Where do I find this definition? I've tied googlong it but can't find anything.

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Subbing - have same account - now passed on to IQOR - but it says on documents "Capital Bank" - is this because the card was tied in with a loan ie two agreements on same page?

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Subbing - have same account - now passed on to IQOR - but it says on documents "Capital Bank" - is this because the card was tied in with a loan ie two agreements on same page?

 

That's right Cleo. Have a look at the agreements. You will probably find no mention of the CCA on the preference account section. It is a credit card, but BoS are now trying to deny this.

 

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Interesting, I just had a copy of the 2nd sheet, not the front or back of the loan/preference account add-on..but the terms and conditions with my sig on it, sent to me by a dca asking me if it was my sig, then if it is please confirm and they'll send the rest of the paperwork...What on earth is going on? Not a word about the CCA on my documents either other than the original loan bit.

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Interesting, I just had a copy of the 2nd sheet, not the front or back of the loan/preference account add-on..but the terms and conditions with my sig on it, sent to me by a dca asking me if it was my sig, then if it is please confirm and they'll send the rest of the paperwork...What on earth is going on? Not a word about the CCA on my documents either other than the original loan bit.

 

 

That sounds very dodgy to me. The bank has always been happy to send you statements and, presumably, threatograms, so I would tell them that they haven't complied with your request.

 

Regards.

 

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This is what Wiki says:

 

Current account is the name given to a transactional account in the United Kingdom and countries with a UK banking heritage, offering various flexible payment methods to allow customers to distribute money directly to others. Most current accounts come with a cheque book NOPE and offer the facility to arrange standing orders, NOPE direct debits NOPE and payment via a debit card. SORT OF Current accounts may also allow borrowing via an overdraft SORT OF facility.

 

North American transactional accounts offer itemized lists of all financial transactions, either through a bank statement or a passbook. A transactional account allows the account holder to make or receive payments by:

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This is what Wiki says:

 

Current account is the name given to a transactional account in the United Kingdom and countries with a UK banking heritage, offering various flexible payment methods to allow customers to distribute money directly to others. Most current accounts come with a cheque book NOPE and offer the facility to arrange standing orders, NOPE direct debits NOPE and payment via a debit card. SORT OF Current accounts may also allow borrowing via an overdraft SORT OF facility.

 

North American transactional accounts offer itemized lists of all financial transactions, either through a bank statement or a passbook. A transactional account allows the account holder to make or receive payments by:

 

Kel,

 

If I remember correctly, I think I had a chequebook with mine. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything - every credit card I've ever had came with credit card cheques.

 

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This is how it was originally sold to me:

 

You take out an original loan, you are then pre allocated an extension loan (credit limit). And that you can if you wish use it has a current account. This was abt 2003 (have not got the paperwork infront of me).

 

Everthing went belly up (my company closed)in 2004. So in 2006 I needed to get away from Lloyds so I enquired about using this account as my current account _ the answer was 'you cannot use it as a current account!' This was when I checked it out.

 

I think they tried a fast one by selling it this way and ofcause the paperwork didn't meet CCA1974 but would meet a current account paperwork but has I have already said it cannot be used as a current account. Also it was sold over the phone with the cheque arriving the next day by currier? Also the stated APR on mine is incorrect and outside tollerances.

 

So all in all I think they are stuffed

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Hi all,

I have one of these accounts from when I bought a car with finance from the dealer about 97'ish. The car dealer said this pref account came with the car loan, and that it was just an extra credit facility, which you just used with the cheque &/or card that would be provided.

Anyhoo, I cca'd BOS 2 months ago, still no reply, but received a call yesterday, whereby after tellling the clerk the account was in dispute, he said "are you still using the credit card?".

No sure if this is any help, but just wanted to let you know that even their own call centre staff are referring to it as a credit card facility. Not sure if its because mine was part of a loan agreement, but thought worth throwing in the mix if it helps anyone.

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I have a BOS preference account. BOS has just secured a CCJ with an agreement to make monthly payments. I have sent the original agreement to no win, no fee firm of solicitors for their opinion. They won't take it on as they are not sure of it's status. I am very upset as I thought it would comply. Has anyone actually written direct to BOS to challenge the enforcability of the agreement??

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Hi ...

Had a thought ... if peps thought, and were told by either BOS, NWS or the selling agent, they had:-

A) Been sold a flexible loan agreement - but that it is actually a bank account

B) With the credit facility not a loan as such, but really an overdraft

Which means that it is not governed by the protection of the CCA 74 - which the applicant thought it would have been by nature of it being a loan agreement ...

 

Then surely BOS and/or the selling agent are guilty of mis-sellling. i.e the full and accurate facts of the basis of the contract were not disclosed at the point of sale. Meaning that the applicant was disadvantaged, and unable to have a made full and informed decision as to whether they wanted to enter into the agreement/contract knowing that it would not be governed by the protection of the CCA74.

 

Has anyone forwarded their agreement, and BOS stance on it being a bank account, using the mis-selling angle to FOS for their review?

 

I also agree that cheques or a cheque book being issued does not on its own make the agreement a bank account. I know that the Marks & Spencer preference account, which works on an identical basis to the BOS pref account, also works on a cheque book basis (although there is no card facility). And also credit card providers are sending out cheques by the dozen to cardholders.

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APEX credit have confirmed my AA prerence account has been assigned to them by BOS. The agreement does not refer to consumer credit act and has no terms or conditions. It refers to repaying 5% of balance oer month or £5 whichever is greatest. This was an AA credit card and overdraft.

 

Apex are now refering to it as a BOS loan saying it was migrated and given a card number.

 

I never applied for a loan. A credit check refers to thios account and default as a credit card.

 

Any advice or help where to go from here. I have not yet told Apex about the credit search I did.

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This is how it was originally sold to me:

 

You take out an original loan, you are then pre allocated an extension loan (credit limit). And that you can if you wish use it has a current account. This was abt 2003 (have not got the paperwork infront of me).

 

Everthing went belly up (my company closed)in 2004. So in 2006 I needed to get away from Lloyds so I enquired about using this account as my current account _ the answer was 'you cannot use it as a current account!' This was when I checked it out.

 

I think they tried a fast one by selling it this way and ofcause the paperwork didn't meet CCA1974 but would meet a current account paperwork but has I have already said it cannot be used as a current account. Also it was sold over the phone with the cheque arriving the next day by currier? Also the stated APR on mine is incorrect and outside tollerances.

 

So all in all I think they are stuffed

Hi - cleo subbing - what do you mean by the APR is outside tolerances please? I have this Preference account with BOS - it came with a loan. Both the Preference account and the loan agreement are on the same page.

 

I am expecting them to take me to court - however BOS terminated it after issuing a faulty DN notice

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Hi everyone,

Just found this thread - I have a Preference card and they are now taking me to court on a CCC.

 

For everyone's interest, the POCs state very clearly that the claim is for a credit agreement.

 

So, if BOS are suing me for non-payment of a credit agreement, then surely they are treating it as a credit card and not a bank account?

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It is in the wording and their use of free months!

 

I have not got the paperwork in front of me but here is the jist

 

Every one 'except for one' (and I questioned her integrety) that I have spocken to, started paying one momth after the start, so if it was over 36 months it is 36 + 1 = 37 months, when you are working out the APR. The way they worded it says you start paying two months after you receive the payment - which is totally correct but! when they have worked out the APR they have used 36 + 2 = 38 months! Now dependant upon the amount of loan is how it effects the APR. Off the top of my head (it's in here somewhere) quoted APR must be within tolerances (something like 0.1 below and 1 above). Here is a peculiarity My Halifax Loan is worked out exactly the same and is again outside tolerances

 

So all I keep doing to the debt collecters is :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Thanks Steven.

 

Regards.

 

Fred

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Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

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Right, well as far as I'm concerned, this nails it once and for all. It's a CREDIT CARD:

 

BoSLetterCREDITCARD.jpg

 

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You cant argue with that Fred :D

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it does say credit card in the text - they just put the wrong headed paper in the printer :rolleyes:

 

I'd like to be a fly on the wall when they tell that to a Judge!

 

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It tool them long enough to tell you - silly BOS. :rolleyes:

 

Well actually, I'd had that letter since October 2008. I was looking for something else when I spotted it. Bingo!

 

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Reading it again, I also notice that they have referred to me asking for charges over the 'last 6 years'. This is not what I asked for - I wanted the full SAR and I'm currently threatening to take them to court unless they provide it.

 

It raises an interesting point. If they only keep records going back 6 years, how can they prove what the balance was at the 'Today-6 Years' point?

 

Fred

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Reading it again, I also notice that they have referred to me asking for charges over the 'last 6 years'. This is not what I asked for - I wanted the full SAR and I'm currently threatening to take them to court unless they provide it.

 

It raises an interesting point. If they only keep records going back 6 years, how can they prove what the balance was at the 'Today-6 Years' point?

 

Fred

 

That's exactly what I've just asked MBNA to explain. They wrote back saying my letter wasn't clear:rolleyes:

 

CitizenB had a chat with the tax man a while ago, and he asked exactly the same question - if they don't have the whole history of transactions, how can they prove the bought forward balance?

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Hi all,

 

I've just realised that there is one, potentially, important difference between my preference account and some of the others on here.

 

Most of these are very similar in that they appear on the same page, side-by-side with a loan agreement. The loan agreement is headed 'Loan Agreement regulated by the CCA ... ' etc, the preference side is not.

 

The difference for me is that I didn't sign the preference card side of this at all, but was actually sent a separate document later on (I can't remember why this is now). I suppose BoS may argue that because the CCA was mentioned in the document that it applies to the preference account as well. In my case they definitely can't.

 

I don't think this will make too much difference as they are both distinctly separate agreements but it's worth pointing out.

 

Regards to all.

 

Fred

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Don't get me confused with somebody knowledgeable by all those green blobs. I got most of them by making people laugh.

 

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