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    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
    • OK, well rereading the court orders from March, in the cold light of day rather than when knackered late at night, it is quite clear that on 25 June there will only be a preliminary hearing about Laura representing her son.  Nothing more. It's lazy DCBL who haven't read things properly and have stupidly sent their Witness Statement early. Laura & I had already been working on a WS, and here it is.  It needs tweaking now after reading the rubbish that DCBL sent and after all of LFI's comments.  But the "meat" is there. Defendant's WS - version 1.pdf
    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
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I'm not able at this point to detail my thinking on this having not yet digested it but after a cusory glance I can say that I think the banks would be very foolish to rely on this judgement as a means of defeating claims

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I agree with calvi36,

 

If only Kev had had a penalty claim as his primary issue I think it would have ended in a different outcome, I also believe that by not attending the Bank did not expect to win, and as precedents are not set in the small claims court the Bank were not particulary worried if they lost,...

thats only my view I could ....AND am most likely wrong.

 

 

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Nevertheless a myth will spread from this defeat.

Laymen among the public who do not know the details,

laymen who are nervous of legal procedure will be more scared than ever.

 

Banks will be rubbing their hands with glee this morning, and their telephone monkeys will quote this verdict when they try to browbeat unknowlegeable claimants. Not a good day for the movement.

 

 

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When the banks look at this result. They won't be that overjoyed. If Kev appeals the hearing will be in a precedent setting higher court. If the appeal is presented correctly. The banks will have to reveal the true costs of their charges, and we know they won't do that. They won this case by default and offered a full settlement. Which the judge chose to ignore. So the bank had already thrown in the towel. They will not relish an appeal. I don't know what legal ways they have of stopping an appeal. Even if they try to settle with Kev. Watch this space.

A person is only as big as the dream they dare to live.

 

 

Good things come to he who waits

 

 

Its your money taken unlawfully from your account and you have a legal right to claim it back.

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HI EVERYONE

 

i HAVE BEEN READING VARIOUS THREADS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW , AND HAVE RECEIVED ALL MY STATEMENTS FROM HALIFAX/BANK OF SCOTLAND .

 

THE CHARGES TOTAL AROUND £10000 , PROBLEM IS I AM NOW IN AN IVA AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THIS AFFECTS ME,

 

CAN I HAVE THE CHARGES BACK

WILL IT ALL GO TO THE IVA

WILL I RECEIVE SOME OF THE CHARGES IF I WIN

 

THE BANK IS INCLUDED IN MY IVA TO THE SUM OF ABOUT £4000 SO IM ASSUMING THIS WOULD BE TAKEN FROM ANY CLAIM I GET.

 

THESE CHARGES ARE ONE OF THE REASONS I AM IN AN IVA AS OVER THREE MONTHS I WAS HIT WITH £2500 BANK CHARGES WHICH SNOWBALLED FROM THERE .

 

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF SOMEONE COULD GIVE ME SOME ADVICE.

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I personally am not to worried about this having considered all the factors.

 

As many people here have statement the judge ruled that the charges were for a service and not a breach fee.

 

However I sent my court bundle off yesterday and am staying on course!

 

MY claim I included copies of the terms and conditions at account opening and current T&C's, which clearly state that it is a breach of agreement and a fee is leveid for this.

 

 

The legal argument is not that the fee's levied are for breach of an agreement which are disprapotionatley high!, which is covered under the UFCA. I have also included the listing which states that Unathorised overdraft inccurs and increased APR to cover Admin costs - so in iffect double whammy! which one covers the admin costs them?.

 

My Advice is to stay on course here, dont let the banks bully you into to settlement (if indeed they offer settlements in the future)

 

Include as much as you can, I also included transcripts of a phone conversation where a bank agent confirmed in my case they send no letters, or make phone calls and that the charging system is automatic! so how can they charge £xx for an automatic systems.

 

As a shareholder of what was formerly Abbey I also made a request for a breakdown off how the set the rates and fee's and what the actually cost to the company is! No surprise they have not responded!

 

Sorry if this reply is got a little of topic, but I just wanted to reinforce that this changes nothing! infact if anything it showed us where the holes were in the legal argument and now we can try to plug them.

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I personally am not to worried about this having considered all the factors.

 

...........

 

The legal argument is not that the fee's levied are for breach of an agreement which are disprapotionatley
high
!, which is covered under the UFCA.

 

............

 

 

The full 23-page ruling is on the other thread.

Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999

"Clause 6.2. in so far as it is in plain intelligible language, the assessment of fairness of the term shall not relate...

(b) to the
adequacy
of the price of remuneration, as against the goods or services supplied in exchange."

Whatever anybody thinks how the regulation is trying to say or ought to say, this is how this Regulation is at present worded. In para 43 District Judge Cooke said the (para 43) wording used "might itself be criticised for deficiencies of intelligibility", but as it stands the wording (para 44) "prevents the court from making any determination that they are unfair." -- the word
"adequate"
empowers the court to rule the price as unfair for being too low, but not as unfair for being too high.

On both counts filed by Lloyds TSB (no breach of contract, no unfairness re UTCCR), the judge found in favour of the defendant in this one particular case. A fair summary I hope, of 23 pages.

 

 

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When is Tom's next hearing scheduled for?

Any advice given is purely my opinion and not based on any legal fact unless referenced with a case. Follow my advice at your own risk. Although the fact may be correct, my interpretation and therefore findings may not

 

Barclays - £391 Just getting started

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/144290-chris-barclays-take-2-a.html

 

Barclays - £760 Settled in full

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/17995-chris-barclays-bank.html

 

Barclaycard - £100 settled in full

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/17996-chris-barclaycard.html

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When is Tom's next hearing scheduled for?

 

I thinks it's Monday !!!:eek:

All opinions and advice I offer are purely my own, and are offered without any liability. If unsure seek the help of a licensed professional

...just because something's in print doesn't mean its true.... just look at you Banks T&C's for example !

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Ooh, cheers - will look out for reports, or news of another delay

Any advice given is purely my opinion and not based on any legal fact unless referenced with a case. Follow my advice at your own risk. Although the fact may be correct, my interpretation and therefore findings may not

 

Barclays - £391 Just getting started

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/144290-chris-barclays-take-2-a.html

 

Barclays - £760 Settled in full

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclays-bank/17995-chris-barclays-bank.html

 

Barclaycard - £100 settled in full

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/17996-chris-barclaycard.html

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There seems to be a current rash of bad news washing over us at the moment which isn't quite so bad once we know more detail. Let's hope it's all just glitches (God forbid otherwise) and that while we're all waiting for outcomes we can keep sight of the whole picture and not begin to panic. Every case I've begun has been successful so far, all except for my Barclays one which is ongoing. There are always going to be 'days like this'.

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Bilgeman, There are always going to be difficult situations in this fight for justice, but if you notice the banks are still settling and even the Lloyds case shows that they do not want to step into a court room and defend their charges. All the banks have huge legal backup to pull on. Yet they still settle cases without full disclosure of their true costs. So have no fear its business as usual.

A person is only as big as the dream they dare to live.

 

 

Good things come to he who waits

 

 

Its your money taken unlawfully from your account and you have a legal right to claim it back.

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there is a sticky somewhere on this forum, about asking for stays to be lifted, i'll try to find the link for you

OK I GIVE IN

 

Halifax £3600 charges, won with C/I £6400

 

NatWest S.A.R-05/06/06

Bug**r all recieved 03/11/06

Prelim guesimate sent for £3000 03/11/06

Cr*p one CONNED statements 08/06 ROFLMAO

Cr*p one charges=£976

con int 34.9% £1,003.75 £1,979.75.

 

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I hope the MODs will forgive me posting this AGAIN but it's an important topic I think ALL info should shared.

 

Have just watched BBC1 Breakfast when their guy from Money Box stated that although very surprisingly this DJ had found in the banks favour it did NOT set a precedent He also said ANOTHER DJ who obviously new of DJ Cookes ruling still found for the claimant AGAINST the bank.

 

The guy was spot on & I shall be listening to Money Box on Radio 4 at 12noon today when it will again be spoken about

 

Perhaps the mods could use there powers to let everyone know about this

 

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Once you have ruled out the impossible only the truth is left......this is why the banks still pay out

Long time ago in a galaxy FAR FAR AWAY, there lived an elf who shot banks for a living.........

Now through the power of the internet there is the CONSUMER ACTION GROUP,

 

Watch out they are getting crafty those pesky CRITTERS!

 

Banks will tell you their charges are transparent!

So is the invisible man but that does not mean he is fair or lawful.

 

DONT GIVE UP! FOLLOW THE CAG ADVICE AND RECLAIM YOUR CHARGES.

CAPITAL BANK! YOU ARE NEXT.

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I hope the MODs will forgive me posting this AGAIN but it's an important topic I think ALL info should shared.

 

Have just watched BBC1 Breakfast when their guy from Money Box stated that although very surprisingly this DJ had found in the banks favour it did NOT set a precedent He also said ANOTHER DJ who obviously new of DJ Cookes ruling still found for the claimant AGAINST the bank.

 

The guy was spot on & I shall be listening to Money Box on Radio 4 at 12noon today when it will again be spoken about

 

Perhaps the mods could use there powers to let everyone know about this

 

 

 

And why dont the media grab this one with the same Gusto as they did with the one case that went in favour of the defendant.

Because the claimant winning against the banks IS NOT NEWS ANYMORE

its normal, keep the faith, claim away

 

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For the same reason they haven't picked up on the bailiffs bill going through now & they won't until a debtor is either seriously injured or God forbid killed by these thugs

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