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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
    • As one of you mentioned above I've been in a mess for nearly 20 years now and I'm ready to sort my credit report out now - the main reason I got into second round of debt is my kids being unwell and the state considering them not unwell enough for extra help so despite my son being in hospital for 3 months in one year we got extra zero help and I eventually lost my job and got into debt to just so I can be تا my sons hospital bed at his time of need - my life basically fell apart and all these debts got me again 
    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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Well couldn't resist it could I? Went over the Companies House info again and cross checked the DP register and they are clearly all separate companies. With due respect to the advice given by the Information Commissioner's Office I had a conversation with them and they simply didn't get what I was talking about. However the lawyers and trdaing standards did. Once they see it set down in writing and backed up by Cos House documents etc they will see it for what it is too. Andrew1 - we all keep digging away and sharing this info if some have more time than others that's part of the democracy we're sharing. Sometimes it's just a nugget of info that can change something. By the way did you also know that Cabot are either setting up or have set up a call centre in Bradford with (I think) 200-300 jobs - just mislaid the link but will paste if I can find it. Guess they'll have our info too.

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Ok, as previoused stated. Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited have provided me with a copy of the Barclaycard agreement. However, the Authorised Barclaycard Signature has been left blank. As such this agreement was improperly executed and is unenforcable without a Court Order.

 

Based on the information, contained with the CCA 1974 and the documentation supplied by Cabot, I would also assume that it would not be possible to obtain a Court Order.

 

This information maybe helpful to others. Legal precedence has been set in relation to improperly executed credit agreements.

 

1)DIMOND v LOVELL

(1999 3WLR561; 3AER1)

Judgments - Dimond (Original Appellant and Cross-Respondent) v. Lovell (Original Respondent and Cross-Appellant)

 

HOUSE OF LORDS

Lord Browne-Wilkinson Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead

Lord Hoffmann Lord Saville of Newdigate Lord Hobhouse of Wood- borough

 

LORD HOFFMANN, stated:

My Lords,

(b) Improperly executed.

"a document in the prescribed form itself containing all the prescribed terms and conforming to regulations under section 60(1) is signed in the prescribed manner both by the debtor or hirer and by or on behalf of the creditor or owner."

© Order of the court

Section 65(1) provides that an improperly executed agreement shall be enforceable only "on an order of the court."

 

LORD HOBHOUSE OF WOODBOROUGH, stated :

My Lords,

The consequence of the failure to comply with the statutory requirements is clearly spelt out in the statute. The contract cannot be legally enforced by the creditor against the debtor.

 

2)

JUDGMENT IN THE CAUSE

Wilson and others

v.

Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (Appellant)

ON

THURSDAY 10 JULY 2003

29. The court's powers under section 127(1) are subject to significant qualification in two types of cases. The first type is where section 61(1)(a), regarding signing of agreements, is not complied with. In such cases the court 'shall not make' an enforcement order

 

Still thinking what to do about this though..... Any suggestions ????

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tbern. I have downloaded all of the Annual returns of Cabot I know the share structure pre take-over in April - it will obviously be a little different now but Cabot Financial Holdings Group Ltd owns ALL shares of Cabot Financial Group Ltd who in turn own ALL shares in Cabot Financial Debt Recovery Services Ltd. Kingshill No1 Ltd and Cabot Financial Europe Ltd are both jointly shown as subsidiaries of Cabot Financial Debt Recovery Services Ltd and the directors are all the same for the three companies.

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Can you email me the info you downloaded about these companies? I can PM my email address?

 

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hi, i received a letter yesterday morning regarding a debt with a credit card i had over 6 years ago with providian, i was under the impression that the debt would have gone now seeing as it is over 6 years.

they are saying that they have bought the debt the amount being 700 pounds. my limit was only 150. any advice please. many thanks.

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hi, i received a letter yesterday morning regarding a debt with a credit card i had over 6 years ago with providian, i was under the impression that the debt would have gone now seeing as it is over 6 years.

they are saying that they have bought the debt the amount being 700 pounds. my limit was only 150. any advice please. many thanks.

 

Hallo Happy33, Firstly I'm sure there's loads here to help you although have you a thread running on this? Maybe you might think about starting a seperate one so we can follow it through it's paces. Post the link on here and we'll tap in.

 

Secondly, was this a Cabot letter/debt by any chance? The 6 year rule relates to the Statute of Limitation and unless you have had communication about it within that 6 yrs it would be statute barred.

 

What I would suggest is writing stating that you do not acknowledge any debt to them and send the CCA letter:

 

Dear Sirs,

I do not acknowledge ANY debt to your company.

 

I require you to supply the following documentation before I will correspond further on this matter.

 

1. You must supply me with a true copy of the alleged agreement you refer to. This is my right under your obligation to supply a copy of the agreement under the legislation contained within s.78 (1) Consumer Credit Act 1974 (s.77 (1) for fixed sum credit) - your obligation also extends to providing a statement of account. I enclose a £1 postal order in payment of the statutory fee, PO Serial Number xxxxx.

 

2. A signed true copy of the deed of assignment of the above referenced agreement that you allege exists.

 

3. You are notified that you are obliged to supply these documents, whether you are the original creditor or not under S189 of the CCA 1974.

 

Non-compliance with my request is a criminal offence under the above Act and will result in a report being submitted to the relevant statutory authorities.

 

As you are aware, a credit agreement that is not properly documented and signed by the customer is totally unenforceable under the CCA and therefore is a complete defence to any court claim that is issued.

 

Take note at this stage, that any legal action you may contemplate will be both vigorously defended and contested.

 

 

Yours Faithfully

 

Happy33 & don't forget to include the £1 Postal Order

 

as I say, start a thread and we'll follow you through it.

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I got a response from Experian today, in relation to a default registered by Kings Hill (No1) Ltd.

 

The letter states that Experian has had a response from Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd and that they can't agree to remove this default at this time. The account is currently under investigation..

 

What in the hell does this have to do with Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd. The default is not in their name and I am sure they can't put defaults on peoples credit files for other companies... :-x

 

This is really starting to annoy me, all this cloak and daggers........

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This is where the fun's going to start tbern. Debtmountain (or was it you?) has already established that the data controller is registered as Kingshill No1 Ltd. Now I haven't been speaking to the Information Commissioner as you two have but I would be very interested in establishing exactly WHO gets registered as the Data Controller. Is it the Company name or is it an individual? If it is an individual which it should be IMO then The Cabot empire are passing information around the group. Think of The Message Service Ltd. in Rugby a company not listed in the Cabot Financial Holdings Group Ltd with Companies house and credit search companies like I have access to, but listed at companies House as a wholly owned subsidiary of Cabot Financial Debt Recovery Services Ltd. as is Cabot Financial(Europe )Ltd and Kingshill No1 Ltd.

 

I think some very serious questions need to be asked as to what actually constitutes the Data Controller and the Data Processor then apply this by way of question to the Information Commissioner to clarify EXACTLY what the laws state in relation to this blatant smoke screen which allows this to happen.

 

Kingshill No1 Ltd have not written back to me yet despite a deadline I gave to explain who Kingshill No1 Ltd are in relation to a default they registered against me. I will be pressing for an answer to that but I'd have prefered to have had a letter back from Kinsghill with an answer first.

 

I am still strongly of the opinion that each company is a seperate legal entity DESPITE their group shannanaghans and structure. There are far too many active companies for there to be only one data controller for the lot.

 

If you don't wish to speak again to the Information Commissioner let me know because I will take it up.

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Thanks Andrew1,

 

I think it is time, we had something in writing from the Information Commissioners Office. I have just submitted this via their online query service:

 

Dear Sir / Madam,

 

Can you please confirm if the following two companies are allowed to share personal data between them as defined by the Data Protection Act 1988, without the expressed permission of a Data Subject

 

Registration Number: Z5415234

Data Controller: CABOT FINANCIAL (EUROPE) LIMITED

 

Registration Number: Z7064593

Data Controller: KINGS HILL (NO 1) LIMITED

 

Can you also please clarify:

 

1) If Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd are the Data Controller for Kingshill (No1) Ltd or are they totally separate and distinct Data Controllers.

 

2) If I made a request under the Data Protection Act for details of the information relating to me held by Kingshill (No1) Ltd, can Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd provide this information?

 

I thank you for your time and assistance in relation to this matter.

 

 

When I spoke to them on the phone I didn't name names, so it was all in theory... So let's see what the ICO say now

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Just one more thing...

 

Cabot Financial Debt Recovery Services Ltd, are not registered with the Information Commissioners Office to process personal data.....

 

If you do a search under the address for CABOT the only companies that can process personal data are:

 

CABOT FINANCIAL (EUROPE) LIMITED

FINANCIAL INVESTIGATIONS AND RECOVERIES (EUROPE) LIMITED

KINGS HILL (NO 1) LIMITED

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If you look at the Information Commissioners Office listing for each company it states:

 

 

 

 

Sources (S) and Disclosures (D)(1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):

Data subjects themselves

Relatives, guardians or other persons associated with the data subject

Current, past or prospective employers of the data subject

Business associates and other professional advisers

:o Other companies in the same group as the data controller

Suppliers, providers of goods or services

Credit reference agencies

Debt collection and tracing agencies

Traders in personal data

Central Government

Courts / Tribunals

:x

I can't find the relevant section in the 1984 Act, does anyone know, if this means that they can share personal data ?

On another note, this might make you smile

 

Hounded for repayment of someone else’s debt - Money - Times Online

 

On this one, go half way down the page

 

Reality? This has to be fiction | This is Money

 

Take a look at page 5, don't you almost feel sorry for them

 

http://www.callcredit.co.uk/download/creditlines12.pdf

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I too am awaiting any contact at all from King's Hill No 1. I agree we should each run this past the Information Commissioner. I guess your letter online will test the water. I am just fed up with all the smoke and mirrors with these people.

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I know what you mean Rhia....

 

Have you tried doing a uk google search on Kings Hill (No1) ????

 

Kings Hill (No1) - Google Search

 

My thread comes in a number 3 and yours is number 4, so anyone researching this company is going to see the bad press we are generating :lol:

 

Here are some more Cabot / Kings Hill threads...

 

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/31824-debt_mountain-cabot.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/41997-cabot-kingshill.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/45692-cabot-kingshill-no1.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/44565-cabot-citibank-help.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/42264-cabot-financial-cca-charges.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/44279-darling-cabot-financial.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/33077-saxon-providian-cc.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/41497-debt-grow-1000-month.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/19026-cabot.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/34538-citicard-cabot-kingshill-all.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/18364-cabot-i-want-do.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/25238-barclaycard-cabot-mackenzie-hall.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/36595-hairyman-cabot-financial.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/11229-cabot-financial.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/39494-cabot-advice-please.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/36512-refund-sent-cabot-not.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/18141-cabot-financial-telephone-harassment.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/19823-cabot.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/27345-cabot-again.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/3525-debt-collection-agencies.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/17889-3-000k-barclaycard.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/16888-caboot-bought-debts.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/barclaycard/7389-barclaycard-sold-debt-cabot.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/data-protection-default-issues/47153-cabot-subject-data-request.html?highlight=cabot

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/47737-cabot-kings-hill-no.html

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-bailiffs-advice/33320-no-more-calls-cabot.html

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just subbing into this thread as I am having a similar problem withlink Financial. Anyone know anything about this crowd of muppets as they seem very similar to Cabot. I'll be starting a new thread tomorrow.

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Yeah yeah, I know but I couldn't resist sending another fan letter.....

 

 

Ms Pratt

Kings Hill (No.1) Limited

10 Kings Hill Avenue

Kings Hill

West Malling

Kent

ME19 4LT

 

Dear Ms Pratt

 

Thank you for your letter of 9 November 2006. Please accept my sincere apologies for the delay in providing you with a written response.

 

I have reviewed your latest correspondence and I have noted your comments in relation to each account, the information you have previously provided and your confidence that Cabot have not breached any legislative requirements. Following my review of your letter, I would like to respond in detail to the issues you have raised.

 

Initially I would like to apologise on behalf of Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited (Cabot) for the upset and inconvenience this matter has caused

 

Thank you, for your apologies they are very much appreciated. However, you will note my email of 5thNovember 2006 was addressed to Kings Hill (No1) Ltd not Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd. As I had previously expected, I now require a response from Kings Hill (No1) Ltd.

 

I note from our records that we have complied with your email request for further information and for all communication to be in writing

 

Sadly, this is not the case. My original Consumer Credit Act request was made over two months ago and I have still not been provided with a copy of the HSBC agreement, which is an offence as defined under sections 77 & 78 of the Consumer Credit Act.

 

On 12 September 2006 you were advised by our Customer Relations Department that the additional information you required from each of the creditors might take some weeks to retrieve.

 

Sadly, this is also not the case. I was not advised until 29th September 2006 in three letters sent by Ms Emma Robertson (copies can be provided)

 

I can confirm that we are not the originator of the debts and are reliant on the retrieval of the information from each of the creditors. You have stated under the Credit Consumer Act sections 1974 and 78 that as we have not supplied copies of the original agreements within the appointed time and therefore the default cannot be enforced. Cabot has sought the advice from Trading Standards who have confirmed this does not apply to us, as we were not the creditor and the accounts have defaulted.

 

I have also referred this matter to Trading Standards and their advice is very different to the above. You are correct Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited are not and never have been the "creditor". However Kings Hill (No1) are the creditor. As stated in the Consumer Credit Act 1974:

 

189. Definitions

"Creditor" means the person providing credit under a credit consumer agreement or the person to whom his rights and duties under the agreement have passed by assignment or operation of law, and in relation to a prospective consumer credit, includes the prospective creditor'

 

As previously confirmed, these three alleged debts were sold to kings Hill (No1) Ltd, thus they legally became the "creditor".

 

You state that we do not have your consent to disclose information to a third party unless we are legally entitled to do so. Under the terms of the credit agreement (which you do not deny signing) for HSBC, The Bank of Scotland and Barclaycard you gave your authority for each account to be passed to a third party. You feel that Cabot Financial is a third party but as advised at the beginning of this letter Kings Hill (No1) is part of the Cabot Financial Group.

 

I was disturbed to read the inconsistencies and mistakes contained with in this particular paragraph.

 

1)As confirmed via email on 31st October 2006 by Ms Justine Horton, Team Leader, Customer Services Department:

 

When purchasing accounts we are not supplied with any documentation (i.e. copy agreements or statements of account) and therefore any requests for such have to be forwarded to the originators to be retrieved from their archives - as I am sure you can appreciate this can be a lengthy process

 

It was only assumed that my permission had been given, before my personal data (as defined by the Data Protection Act 1998) was processed, you had no confirmation that my permission had been given.

 

Furthermore, to date you have been unable to supply me with a copy of the HSBC credit agreement, so it can only still be assumed that my permission was given to process my personal data in relation to this account.

 

If Kings Hill (No1) Ltd, had obtained a copy of the Barclaycard agreement before processing my personal data, they would have noted that this agreement has been improperly executed and is not enforceable without a Court Order. Until such a time a Court Order has been given the terms and conditions of that agreement are void.

 

In relation to your statement:

You feel that Cabot Financial is a third party but as advised at the beginning of this letter Kings Hill (No1) is part of the Cabot Financial Group.?

 

I am sorry for any confusion. I feel that Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd is a third party not Cabot Financial Group. According to Companies House Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited and Kings Hill (No.1) are both Limited companies. Please also note that both are of these companies are registered separately with the Information Commissioner?s Office as being different Data Controllers.

 

In relation to Kings Hill (No1) Ltd, being part of Cabot Financial Group, I find this hard to understand as also according to Companies House Cabot Financial Group, have only been in existence since 21stJune 2006. Prior to this date it was known as Pall Mall Finance Holdings Limited. I am sure that the use of various subsidiary companies is not designed to cause confusion.

 

We are confident that we have not breached any of the legislative requirements you refer to in your letter.

 

I am not surprised that you were unable to confirm that numerous criminal offences have been committed and that my rights have been breached.

 

I would now like to take this opportunity to clarify the current situation in relation to the three alleged debts.

 

Firstly, I would like to draw your attention to the Barclaycard credit agreement. Especially to the signature box, you will note that this has not been signed by an Authorised Barclaycard Signature and the space has been left blank. I am sure that I do not have to remind you of the implications of an improperly executed credit agreement.

 

For the sake of argument and to prevent any further confusion, I will set legal precedent:

 

DIMOND v LOVELL

(1999 3WLR561; 3AER1)

Judgments - Dimond (Original Appellant and Cross-Respondent) v. Lovell (Original Respondent and Cross-Appellant)

 

HOUSE OF LORDS

Lord Browne-Wilkinson Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead

Lord Hoffmann Lord Saville of Newdigate Lord Hobhouse of Wood- borough

 

LORD HOFFMANN, stated:

My Lords,

(b) Improperly executed.

"a document in the prescribed form itself containing all the prescribed terms and conforming to regulations under section 60(1) is signed in the prescribed manner both by the debtor or hirer and by or on behalf of the creditor or owner."

© Order of the court

Section 65(1) provides that an improperly executed agreement shall be enforceable only "on an order of the court."

 

LORD HOBHOUSE OF WOODBOROUGH, stated :

My Lords,

The consequence of the failure to comply with the statutory requirements is clearly spelt out in the statute. The contract cannot be legally enforced by the creditor against the debtor.

 

 

Wilson and others

v.

Secretary of State for Trade and Industry (Appellant)

ON

THURSDAY 10 JULY 2003

 

 

29. The court's powers under section 127(1) are subject to significant qualification in two types of cases. The first type is where section 61(1)(a), regarding signing of agreements, is not complied with. In such cases the court 'shall not make' an enforcement order.

 

Taking into account that this agreement has been improperly executed and is unenforceable without a court order and that it is highly unlikely that such a court order would be given. I feel that this account should not have been sold to a Debt Collection Agency, furthermore I am not sure how you can register a default as this agreement is unenforceable.

 

 

Please remove this default from my credit file with immediate effect.

 

 

With regard to the alleged HSBC debt, as I have not been provided with a copy of this credit agreement, this debt is now also unenforceable without a Court Order.

 

In relation to the alleged Bank of Scotland debt, the information was not supplied within the time frame specified within the CCA 1974 and is unenforceable without a Court Order.

 

I have already sought legal advice and discussed the situation with the Office of Fair Trading and Trading Standards.

 

I look forward to reading your comments in relation to the improperly executed Barclaycard agreement and the default that has been registered on my credit file. I will no longer enter into further correspondence in relation to this matter.

 

Regards

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Tbern

 

you are enjoying this a litlle too much, but it is really good sport though isn't it.

 

We have absolutley nothing to lose with these muppets.

 

I always enjoy you letters.

 

DM

 

If it was not for this site, I might be paying back two debts that I shouldn't have been so thanks CAG !!!!!!!!!!

 

I just think it is time, these companies learn that they need to shape up, the way they talk and treat people is totally unacceptable. They have had it to easy for so long.

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That is one hell of a letter. Well done!

 

Thanks Semi, a major part of my job is writing letters..... So this is like a busmans holiday....

 

I think they are getting sick of my emails... Got this reply today

 

Dear tbern123

Thank you for your email, it has been passed to the relevant department for review.

Please note the full response may be sent direct to your postal address.

Yours sincerely,

Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited

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Thanks Semi, a major part of my job is writing letters..... So this is like a busmans holiday....

 

I think they are getting sick of my emails... Got this reply today

 

Dear tbern123

Thank you for your email, it has been passed to the relevant department for review.

Please note the full response may be sent direct to your postal address.

Yours sincerely,

Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited

We'll see what they come up with this time..........

 

I would write back and say you are not prepared to correspond with a company called Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd as you wrote to a different company altogether. They should at least have the courtesy to reply from the company which is doing all the damage. John Randall, Director & Co.Sec Kingshill (No1) Ltd !

 

 

When I write to them I'll just say " Dear Sirs, please refer to tbern and refund me my money :grin:

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I would write back and say you are not prepared to correspond with a company called Cabot Financial (Europe) Ltd as you wrote to a different company altogether. They should at least have the courtesy to reply from the company which is doing all the damage. John Randall, Director & Co.Sec Kingshill (No1) Ltd !

 

 

When I write to them I'll just say " Dear Sirs, please refer to tbern and refund me my money :grin:

 

lol don't tempt me...

 

No I am a fair man, I will give them time to respond.........

 

Once the ICO has come back to me, I'll know exactly where I stand, then I can this sorted out once and for all.......

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Sorry, guys been busy the last few days... So time for a quick update.

 

Got this from the ICO:

 

24th November 2006

Dear tbern123

Thank you for your correspondence dated 03/11/06.

The matters you have raised will be assigned to one of our casework teams and allocated to a case officer who will respond accordingly in line with our current service standards.

Should you wish to contact us about this matter please quote your case reference number:

ENQ0140575

Failure to do so may delay the processing of your request.

For further information please contact our Helpline on 01625 545745.

Yours sincerely

Sent on behalf of

Mr Paul Arnold

Senior Customer Service Manager

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In the mean time, I thought I would respond to Experian for clarification

 

26 November 2006

 

Credit Expert

PO BOX 7710

Nottingham

NG80 7WE

 

 

Dear Sir / Madam

 

Thank you for your recent correspondence, in relation to a default registered on my credit file by Kings Hill (No1) Ltd. You state that you have contacted Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited and they are unable to agree to remove this default from my file.

 

Can you please confirm, why you contacted Cabot Financial (Europe) Limited, when the default is registered by Kings Hill (No1) Limited.

Please can you also confirm, if one limited company can register information on a credit file, on behalf of another company even though each company is registered with the Information Commissioner's Office as a separate Data Controller. Thank you for your time and assistance in relation to this matter, I look forward to receiving your quick response to my concerns.

 

Regards

 

 

 

tbern123

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Forgive me if I am wrong but if you put without prejudice at the top of the letter sent by yourself this means they cannot present your sent letter in a court of law as evidence? Does this allow you to produce your own copies/ produce the originals as evidence of letters you have sent to them if you need to?

Also how would you go about proving you have sent such a letter? i.e. get post office worker to confirm & sign on a separate sheet held by yourself the contents of that sent by R/D (& give their details) prior to posting by recorded delivery

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