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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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We need to know what stage the case is at at Chesterfield.

Please upload the court letters.

Don't worry if it's not done perfectly, we can do the tweaking at this end.

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no good sending image links by PM dont work

hit choose files and upload 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Laura their Witness Statement will come if they decide to go to Court.

Included with it will be a document from the Court advising you of the time and date of the case.

Also included will be all the copies of the PCNs sent as well as letters from the unregulated debt collectors and their sixth rate solicitors.

On top of that they include the contract they have with the landowners and a map of the car park etc. 

I doubt you will have received that as yet and I hope you never will.

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Aah thank for putting me in the know lookinforinfo much appreciated wouldn`t it be great if they decided against going to Court but they have been relentless so it is anyone`s guess

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A letter from Court arrived today dated 21st March stating if I want to be Litigation Friend I have to make a formal application to the Court whatever this means?

And must also get a written report from a GP or Psychiatrist setting out whether on the balance of probabilities the defendant currently lacks capacity within the meaning of the Mental Capacity Act 2005 to conduct these proceedings.

A 2nd letter states there will be a Preliminary hearing on the 25th June via CVP which 30 minutes is allocated where directions will be give about me being suitable as Litigation Friend.

I have now been on hold to the Court for 2 hours and 9 minutes and just getting "Sorry to keep you waiting"

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I have been looking how to do this but no idea how to do it

Photographed them on my mobile

they are in photos but can`t send them tried to do it as a pm mail to Admin but that as failed too, no idea how a photo can be

I am at the end of my tether

surely the Courts would not keep me on hold for nearly 2 and half hours,

I don`t know what to do next.

I have never known anything so stressful cannot believe a hearing as to be done via the internet then a Court case too it is all getting too much for me, Court have just answered my call after 2 hours 35 minutes told me to email Court and tell them I have only just received these letters.

I assume the Formal Application means the Litigation Friend form I sent to Northampton

I can resent that to Chesterfield other than that I do not know what a formal application is,

it was difficult asking for advice once my call was answered as it was a lady whose English was quite poor she did not understand what I was saying.

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Sorry, but an application to the court has to be done properly.  We need to see what they have told you to do.

The last thing we want is for the application to fail.

I'll PM you with an idea.

Just to say Laura & I have worked out a solution to uploading the court order but as I have to go to work now it'll have to wait till late this evening.

However, Laura, make an appointment with your GP - now.

We could do with some help from you.

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not sure why you sent this laura?

not what was asked for.

 

2022-06-07 IAS Appeal+reply.pdf

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well, one of my work commitments got cancelled, or earlier than expected here is what Laura received today.  Comments in a minute.

Court orders.pdf

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No application to be made only if you cant comply which I assume you can.

We could do with some help from you.

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Laura - so yes, you need to to e-mail the court today.

In the subject heading put: the claim number; the names of the parties; court order dated 21 March 2024; preliminary hearing 25 June 2024.

Point out that the court order dated 21 March orders you to file documentation by 8 April, but you only received the order today 10 April.  Therefore it is impossible to comply with the order but you will do so as a matter of urgency.  No disrespect to the court is meant.  You have already made an appointment with your GP on XXXXX in order to be able to comply with the court order.

Next get your GP to write what the court wants.  It's only brief - "on the balance of probabilities the defendant currently lacks capacity within the meaning of the Mental Capacity Act 2005 to conduct legal proceedings in claim number XXXXX".

We could do with some help from you.

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Done all what is required right now

the Court responded immediately and said the application I put in at Northampton in March 2023 to act as Litigation Friend was sent over for the Judge to consider on the 2nd April

no idea why this was requested again.

I explained all about the letters only arriving today.

I have papers that the GP filled in concerning my son being Severely Mentally Impaired that was sent to the Council to exempt him from paying Council Tax

the adviser at Court said this would probably be acceptable as I explained it is so hard to get a GP appointment and they would charge for this letter. 

The Court said they would let me know asap whether things have been accepted by the Court 

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I want you to see I am trying, though stressed to death by it all it has been going on for well over a year, just want it to end,

you any idea what will happen when they video call me to see if I am suitable to act as Litigation Friend as it says 30 minutes allowed for this

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you have provided everything to make it happen.

it'll simply be granted.

not sure why at every drop of a pin you get so worked up.

seriously its all a big nothing burger, a speculative court claim...treat it as such,

99% of your stress is of your own doing and it gets boring keep hearing about it everytime you post....stop it laura.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I am 65 not used to this like you have had years at it, I am sorry if it annoys you that I am constantly stressed, I wish I could overcome my stress but with me looking after elderly parents, 2 disabled children and a disabled nephew after his parents died life is a challenge so apologies for this boring you I will do my best to help myself instead of annoying you,  I realise I should not expect empathy I just hoped people could appreciate why I easily get stressed. 

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we all have our x's to bare laura.

we just all deal with it differently ...mine is by helping people ...whomever they are regardless......

the objective being to dispel you stressing about this part of your life's current journey...

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Laura, you & I worked out a neat trick to get your documentation onto the site.

However, I will be on holiday when your hearing happens, and so may not be around to help, and so it is vital that you learn to upload documents.  You have a little time now to experiment and get it right.

BTW, I'm only four years younger than you (less as it's my birthday next month) and I am also an idiot with computers, so the first time I had to upload something here I was 99.99% sure it would go wrong.  But it went right!  Simply because whoever wrote the upload guide made it very clear.  All that is needed is to follow the instructions in the upload guide.

We could do with some help from you.

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The hearing is 25th June, I have downloaded items to different organisations previously but they do it a simple way and I just cross out private things with a felt tip and sent to an email address. 

I have looked at the instructions for CAG it seems extremely complicated especially this about having to use a system MSPAINT.EXE that removes your personal information.

I am hoping one of my Grandchildren understands things to give me help, I have shown one of my daughters she said she does not understand the instructions.

I have a PC and I mainly use a lap top, as previously advised I only understand the straightforward things, sending an email and using my scanner to send a document that I save in a file or send it to an email.

I will try and find someone to help me, thanks for your help you have given me so far appreciate it

 


 

 

 

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Paint is a free programme on any Windows PC.

But don't worry, the choice here is not either perfection or nothing.

As you say, use your scanner, save the file ... and then use the "choose files" option when you post to CAG to add the file.

We can do all the redacting and converting to the correct file type at this end.  The important thing is just to get the info to us.

Why not do an experiment this afternoon and see if the above works?

 

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Scanned the document made it 150 size saved it to scanned documents, went on this PDF Merge and it says "This type of file is not supported" I headed it Court 28-04-2024 jpeg. I cannot save the scanned document as PDF as it does not list that option on my scanner, tried to upload it direct to CAG page and again it does not accept jpeg

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thats because jpg files can be seen by anyone , we dont want that ..so use pdf as members have to register to see them.

you cant merge jpg files on a site that says its a pdf merge site:crazy:

.., you convert the redacted jpg files to pdf on the other site listed in upload..THEN you merge them to one mass pdf using that site you tried...:eyebrows:

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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