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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Look forward to the questions.

 

And your own Witness Statement which we've asked twice to see, going way back to October 28.

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7 hours ago, Manxman in exile said:

And is the expert witness saying that he costs the work needed to put things right at only  £1,000?

 

 

I received this late yesterday and do not understand it fully well myself. I need help here

 

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Well, what do you think the expert is saying you are entitled to?

 

The expert has looked at what you are saying is wrong and needs fixing, dividing it up into each item you’ve said isn’t up to scratch, and assessed if you are owed anything at all for that item, according to their expert opinion.

 

Where you are owed something, they’ve assessed how much you are owed, in their expert opinion.

 

The total, in their expert opinion, reaches £1,000, comprised of the subheadings they’ve split it into.

 

What other conclusion can you reach from reading the jointly instructed expert’s report?

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11 minutes ago, BazzaS said:

I think the problem is you don’t accept that the expert thinks you are entitled to only £1,000 (not the £17,000 you now

Yes, I do not accept £1000.00. I have paid invoice billing for almost £4,000.00 after the builder walked away and estimated bill do the remainder of the work for over 12k 

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Who do you think the judge will find more persuasive?

 

You, who seems to be pulling figures out of the air, or the (jointly instructed, independent) expert you agreed to.

 

I’m not a chartered surveyor, nor a builder. However I found the expert’s report clear, and can see how a judge would find it persuasive.

The expert notes the questions they have been asked to answer in their instructions.

The expert notes their qualifications and expertise.

The expert lays the report out clearly, answering the points individually.

The expert notes where they haven’t been able to inspect (E.g concealed) work, and states what is their opinion and what their assumptions are.

The expert avoids jargon, or where jargon is essential (such as underpinning vs piling) explains the jargon clearly.

 

Overall the expert’s report gives the impression of an expert well able to give their opinion and express it clearly to the lay person / judge.

 

So, if you think you are owed SUBSTANTIALLY more than £1000, how are you going to persuade the judge you are right and the expert is wrong, against such a persuasive report?

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5 minutes ago, BazzaS said:

ou, who seems to be pulling figures out of the air

 

I did not pluck figures they were paid for but I see your point. Am I losing this case or could i have gone wrong in agreeing to single expert nominated by the claimant solicitors. 

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Well, you agreed to that expert, the expert was jointly instructed, and has made it clear that the report is in their honest belief and is their professional opinion, as well as highlighting that the expert is aware their duty is to the court, not one side or the other.

 

Unless you can PROVE the expert has made a mistake, you can’t really complain about their report, and in terms of “could i have gone wrong in agreeing to single expert nominated by the claimant solicitors.”

how else would you expect a court to reach a judgment in a case where the builder and you disagree so wildly on what needs paying for!?

 

You are required to substantiate the sums you are claiming for. You can’t say “I need £17,000 to complete the work” and expect the court to grant you that. It may be that you need £17,000 to complete the work BUT you have to show the court WHY it will take £17,00 and WHY the builder is liable for that £17,000.

 

The expert’s report says the builder owes £1,000 towards any work, not £17,000.

 

Do you still owe the builder anything for the work they have undertaken?

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4 minutes ago, BazzaS said:

 

 

5 minutes ago, BazzaS said:

The expert’s report says the builder owes £1,000 towards any work,

 

This is. as against me owing £2,580 in his claim. This is where I need help.  which tradesman  can i call in to work in my house for £20, £25, or £150??

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This is. as against me owing £2,580 in his claim. This is where I need help.  which tradesman  can i call in to work in my house for £20, £25, or £150??

 

Is that the builder's claim? If it is, why is he putting in a claim saying he owes you money?

 

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Make sure you show any prospective builders the court documents and the expert’s report, so they know how much you are willing to pay when you ask them for a quote …….

 

They can then decide if the job is worth it to them, and what sort of client you are likely to be.

This should lead to no mismatch of expectations, reducing the risk of further litigation arising…….

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This is not realistic, will never get any work done in that way. I had failed boiler less than a week ago the engineer came to sort it out and was bill £150 for less than 10minutes job.

 

I am completely don't know what to do and where to run now.

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Well, expect the court to find in favour of builder for the sum claimed by them, LESS the £1000 the expert believes you are entitled.

 

I’d expect the court to award costs “in the case”, so, to the claimant (the builder), as well as interest based on the amount awarded.

 

You don’t have to get different builders in to do the work for £50 here and £100 there for each small job. Get them to give you one quote in total.

 

 

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@BazzaS @honeybee13  This whole saga started when the builder sued Simeon, and Simeon counterclaimed.  The builder lost his part of the case and failed to get judgement set aside.  So no, Simeon doesn't owe the builder anything.

 

It is Simeon's counterclaim that is ongoing.

 

This is brilliant work by Bazza this morning to explain everything so clearly.

 

We have asked Simeon three times to upload his WS, to see if the £17,000 figure is backed up properly.  But for some reason he wants to hide this document.

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You don't need to search for the counterclaim.  @FTMDave and I drafted it based on what you told us and it's at #133.

 

What you were asked to post is a copy of your Witness Statement.  That will introduce the evidence that you submitted to the court in support of your £17000 counterclaim...

 

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 I believe the Witness Statement was filed with the court on 21 October.  We have never seen it.

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I'd also like to see what instructions the two parties gave to the expert they jointly appointed.

 

@simeon1964 needs to confirm whether those instructions (which he must have agreed to) actually addressed all of the issues contained in the schedule of loss in his particulars of claim.  Has anything not been covered?

 

When helping simeon draft the particulars @FTMDave and I relied* on simeon's assurance that he had evidence (quotes and estimates etc) supporting a claimof £17k.  It would seem the independent expert either disagrees massively with those costings, or his instructions didn't cover all the heads of loss...

 

*To the best of my recollection.  It was almost a year ago now

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No.  If you mean me I had no input whatsoever to that witness statement.  Although it looks as though at least some of it is based on the detailed Particulars of Claim that FTMDave and I helped you draft in January...

 

On 21/12/2022 at 23:31, simeon1964 said:

 

I now need to ask Questions: Here is expert report Part1 and Part2 follows:

I now need to ask Questions: Here is expert report Part2 continuation:

 

shedule of photographs .pdf 954.8 kB · 9 downloads

 

Just looking at this again I'm totally confused.  You say "... Here is expert report Part 1 and Part 2 follows:... " and then you leave a blank space followed by "... Here is expert report Part 2 continuation:... " and you post a pdf document entitled schedule of photographs (which, incidentally, contains no photographs!).

 

So is the expert report in one part or two parts?  You've only posted one document.  And if the document called schedule of photographs is the expert report, why the hell isn't it called Expert Report????

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