Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister

[tobyjugg2]

He's dogwhistling to his rabid base - like Trump did and does

 

Wonder of wee Nicky will use one of Johnsons claims as a justification for a scot independence referendum lol?

Johnson will have the choice of admitting he was talking doodoo, giving the scots another referendum, or just BSing .. the latter seems most in keeping.

 

Quote of Quotes

"“We are dealing with a prime minister that doesn’t respect democracy, the law or any of the norms that underpin democracy in the UK”

[honeybee13]

Who said the quote, TJ?

 

I've seen a few pronouncements from Johnson recently that could be used against him and I'm sure wee Nicola and others are paying close attention.

[tobyjugg2]

Nicky said it - and about a million or more others no doubt ..

 

 

7 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

There seem to be an awful lot of downsides and hardly any upsides, TJ.

 

For the legal side, David Allen Green has done a blog with some good observations. He thinks the government's legal position makes no sense.

 

The bare “necessity” – how the legal position of the United Kingdom on the Northern Irish Protocol Bill makes no sense – The Law and Policy Blog

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13th June 2022 The government of the United Kingdom published this evening the Northern Irish Protocol Bill. This Bill is so the government can...

 

 

.. Lord Anderson QC also raises the additional excellent point which I had missed, that the requirements for  article 16 included in the protocol are far less than those for the last resort 'doctrine of necessity' the numpty brigade are chuntering about, and is a ANOTHER valid alternative so invalidating a 'last resort' claim, as is simply implementing the documentation systems which have been required since the Brexit vote, and are already needed and used for other countries.

 

But of course, invoking article 16 would immediately be a no deal Brexit which the EU would undoubtedly immediately enforce.

 

Its just hogwash and an attempt at blackmailing the EU (as if) and dog whistling the cheerleaders.

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[tobyjugg2]

you’d have to be slightly mad to agree to a trade deal with a country “that’s already trying to go back on one it just signed”

 

-  congressman Brendan Boyle, US ways and means Committee (massive influence on US trade deals)

[tobyjugg2]

 

"The protocol doesn’t threaten the Good Friday Agreement. What it does do is annoy the Democratic Unionist Party, mainly because they were too stupid to understand what Brexit was before they campaigned for it, and are also, just for the record, the only Northern Irish political party that walked out on the Good Friday Agreement and refused to sign up to it."

 

- Tom Peck

[honeybee13]

From David Allen Green last night.

 

Remember - the Good Friday Agreement expressly requires the UK to have the ECHR directly enforceable in Northern Ireland Ergo, the UK cannot leave the ECHR without breaking the Good Friday Agreement Where Rwanda policy crosses Northern Irish policy

[unclebulgaria67]

Good summary from James O'Brien

 

 

[honeybee13]

James O'Brien is great, isn't he? Between him and the videos by Ros Atkins on the BBC, you can keep up with what's happening pretty well.

 

On a more serious note, this is one of today's letters to the Times, eminent people commenting on the NI bill.

 

Sir, The Northern Ireland Protocol Bill is a clear breach of international law. The protocol provides a mechanism for adopting unilateral “safeguard measures” after consultation via a joint committee; having failed to exhaust that procedure it is not open to the government to rely on the doctrine of necessity.

In any event, that doctrine requires “grave and imminent peril” to which the state has not contributed. It is impossible to understand how those criteria could be satisfied. The government agreed the protocol with its eyes wide open, and it is not even now advancing the bill on an urgent basis: indeed, it is telling the DUP that progress on the bill is dependent on the restoration of power-sharing. The proposal to remove the jurisdiction of the EU Court of Justice is far from “necessary”, however politically convenient it may be. The bill shows a lack of commitment to the rule of law and to a rules-based international order that damages the reputation of the UK. We hope parliament will refuse to be complicit in it.

Mark Elliott, professor of public law, Cambridge University; Lord Anderson of Ipswich QC, Brick Court Chambers; Lord Pannick QC, Blackstone Chambers

 

[tobyjugg2]

38 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

The government agreed the protocol with its eyes wide open, and it is not even now advancing the bill on an urgent basis:

indeed, it is telling the DUP that progress on the bill is dependent on the restoration of power-sharing.

 

So its a ploy to con the DUP back into power sharing ..

Makes a sort of Johnsonesque sense.

[honeybee13]

There have been some interesting reactions to what the government are up to.

 

Even the Times is suggesting that No10 might have expected the ECtHR to block the Rwanda flight but that it draws a line in the sand between the Tories and Labour before the next election- more division. And it means HMG can blame Europe, remainers, lawyers, courts, etc for not being able to do what the government wants.

 

Le Monde is saying, more about the NI bill, that when Johnson is stuck in a political hole like Partygate or any other issue, he'll pick on the EU as a distraction.

 

 

[honeybee13]

I think Marina Hyde sums it up much better than I did.

 

Like Trump’s wall, the Rwanda deportation flight was only ever a metaphor | Marina Hyde | The Guardian

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Nowadays, a government is judged by the dividing lines it creates, rather than any tangible policies, says Guardian columnist Marina Hyde

 

[tobyjugg2]

One of his more printable 'honorifics' is Johnson 'The great Divider'

[tobyjugg2]

Tory by-election candidate said Brexit ‘built on lies’ and regretted voting for it

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Nadeem Ahmed also warned leaving EU had triggered racist attacks and backed second referendum, in embarrassment for Boris Johnson

 

[honeybee13]

PM's ethics adviser resigns. He was only appointed at the end of April last year.

 

I wonder if it was the select committee hearing yesterday that did it.

 

Boris Johnson’s ethics adviser Lord Geidt resigns after Partygate grilling | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

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Geidt said: ‘I feel that it is right that I am resigning from my post’ following questions over whether PM broke ministerial code

 

[tobyjugg2]

Shame that Johnsons legal appointees (like himself) seem to have no ethics eh HB

 

Another aspect on withdrawing from the ECHR (and I admit I have some mixed feelings on aspects of some ECHR decisions)

 

while “we cannot rule out withdrawal [from the ECHR] forever”

the “clear advice” from Government lawyers was withdrawal “could have far worse consequences…because the convention is written into the Good Friday agreement”.

 

- Dominic Rabb 2016  (quote courtesy of Paul Waugh)

 

 

[honeybee13]

I think it's a very bad message if the government are seen not to care about human rights.

 

The only countries to leave the EHCR are Russia and Greece, temporarily to avoid being expelled during the rule by military junta. I think that says a lot.

[tobyjugg2]

These seem to me to be all ploys to divide people using their own incompetence as fuel (who needs nuclear if that could be tapped in a positive way) , and if the division works, would then be implemented.

 

example

Many would agree that the deportation of radicals to where they would meet 'justice' is something to strive for.

That the UK failed to do so, and point the finger at the ECHR (NOT EU) to excuse their incompetence at massive taxpayer cost ...

and then then 'justifying' removing rights for everyone to address that incompetence ...

[honeybee13]

That's my concern, TJ. Then workers' rights, etc.

 

The new law about proptests hasn't really been tested but given how it's looking for food and energy prices, you can see that there's an interest in not letting the population express how it feels publically.

[honeybee13]

Lord Geidt's resignation and the PM's reply have been released. I feel quite sorry for Lord Geidt, he took on an impossible job and was very likely misled during his investigations.

 

Read Lord Geidt’s letter of resignation as Boris Johnson’s ethics adviser | Boris Johnson | The Guardian

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Read the full letter sent by Lord Geidt to Boris Johnson announcing his resignation as independent adviser on ministers’ interests

 

[honeybee13]

And here are David Allen Green's thoughts on what's likely to be in the background of this. Interesting observation about arch-leavers wanting to trade on WTO terms.

 

The curious resignation letter of Lord Geidt – what it says, what it does not say, and what it signifies – The Law and Policy Blog

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16th June 2022 Lord Geidt is an unlikely man of steel. Yet it appears that it was the issue of steel  that was the reason for his resignation. And so, as a...

 

[tobyjugg2]

and I see the lying ****** Johnsonites are whinging that a decent honest politician should recuse herself from the committe tasked with examining Johnsons (alleged - lol) corrupt lying .. because she has said in the past, in public that Johnson appears to have misled parliament and lied to parliament and the British public.

.. well as multiple of his own appointee ethics advisors at least 40% of his own MPs and apparently a significantly higher percentage of the Tory party (let alone others) seem to think that IS the case ....

 

Tory MPs say Harriet Harman should step down from No 10 parties inquiry

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Privileges committee is examining whether Boris Johnson misled house over Partygate

 

hes going to need someone who has spent the last 40 years locked away in a Siberian prison camp .. who would still no doubt quickly come to a 'hes guilty as sin' conclusion despite arriving here clueless.

 

.. Likely be easier to find someone who honestly thought Putin invaded Ukraine in self defense to attack Nazis.

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[tobyjugg2]

The real funny (sic) part about Johnsons claims of his ethics advisor leaving over a disagreement over steel?

- Its that its about Johnson proposing to (continue to) breach WTO agreements ..

... think about that ...

[honeybee13]

Ironic, I agree.

 

I'm old enough to remember when the ERG and others wanted a no deal Brexit. They thought WTO terms were the bees knees back then.

[tobyjugg2]

They said that - I doubt many believed it except in very limited terms which could not be legitimately considered  in isolation

 

Translation: They thought particular businesses they personally could profit from could benefit from it however badly the rest of the nation fared.

[honeybee13]

The PM who thinks he doesn't need an ethics adviser thought it was a good idea to appoint Carrie Symonds as his top adviser in the Foreign Office.

 

Boris Johnson accused of trying to appoint wife Carrie to £100k taxpayer funded role in 2018

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The Prime Minister, who served as chief of the Foreign Office between 2016 and 2018, reportedly wanted to make his future wife his £100,000-a-year...