Backdoor £4k CCJ OPS/(GS Carpark)/QDR

[FTMDave]

Yes, of course, best of luck.

 

The judge will be interested in the three points above, so those are the ones to practise before the hearing.

 

1.  You couldn't defend because you never got the PCNs or the court papers.

 

2.  You think you can successfully defend the case in court (your daughter wasn't the driver for example).

 

3.  The two-year delay is OPS's fault.

[Impressmum]

We got post from Dvla today,  they had all the information on the parking tickets we needed! 

Dates and location.  There hadn't been any physical tickets at the scene on these occasions. It makes no odds. 

 

We know now  it's best just to contact OPS to pay the costs.

 

There was also a letter from the courts 

With a date for the 29th April to be heard at the Magistrates Court.  

[FTMDave]

The imminent hearing date somewhat changes things.

 

Did you pay £275 to apply for set aside?

[dx100uk]

23 minutes ago, Impressmum said:

With a date for the 29th April to be heard at the Magistrates Court.

no it does not say that 

 

speculative invoices are NOT CRIMINAL so cant be a magistrates court.

 

scan it up please

 

dx

 

[Impressmum]

Court letter

Court letter.pdf

 

1 hour ago, FTMDave said:

The imminent hearing date somewhat changes things.

 

Did you pay £275 to apply for set aside?

We did not pay this fee we only paid £20 

 

Sorry no £14 was paid at the County Court.  I just checked my bank account 

 

Cross referencing  the dvla reference numbers for OPS  and the email that was sent from back in 2021 with the list of reference  numbers do not match up . 

[dx100uk]

oh yea sorry i forgot you'd had a writ issued

it will be granted and then its transferred back to your local court for a later hearing.

 

 

[FTMDave]

Yes, it didn't click with me either that this wasn't just a standard set aside application.

 

Methinks it can't harm the OP to redo the SAR from scratch - this time including I.D. so the fleecers can't use lack of I.D. as an excuse not to reply, keeping a copy of the SAR and also keeping the free Certificate of Posting.

 

Getting copies of the PCNs won't excuse the two-year delay, but might at least help in seeing what the accusations are and if they can be defended, point (2) above.

[Impressmum]

We called the solicitors today Qdr - 

 

We asked why they hadn't contacted us direct.?

They have confirmed having my daughters contact number and email address on file. 

We asked why when we asked for proof it wasn't sent out? 

We asked why this court enforcement landed on our doorstep?

As if they had provided us with the relevant documents that Dvla have given us, which is information of the vehicle and not just reference numbers this matter could have been dealt with years ago. 

 

We have asked this to be looked into since all calls are recorded as per the advisor making us aware.

We asked they looked into the calls from when we contacted them 2 years ago asking for evidence and why it wasn't sent?

I've asked this to be raised as a formal complaint.

 

We've also spoken about the payment and if the payment was made in full ?

What happens with the ccj?

Are they able to remove this from the credit file.?

They OPS  have asked for a little time to complete the above and come back to us!

I said we will give them a week and call back. 

 

[dx100uk]

and we asked you to do that?

 

we already know it is totally pointless ever to phone scammers or their dogs

they always deceive and procrastinate to gain info upon how best to counter your defence/set a side etc. etc.

 

they now know you have not a clue what you are doing and will be an easy walkover.

 

please always check here first before you do anything, even if it means you get told off for not getting any question answers we wanted.

 

 

[Impressmum]

The girl who took the call didn't quite know what to do in the conversation at all. She kept putting us on hold to ask questions and come back to us. 

I mean it took a whole day of attempting to call then arranging a call back to do this

The dvla pages show my daughter breached the terms and conditions of ops parking in the paperwork. 

This is what it shows.   Whether this is because the tickets have ran out and the time had gone over ? I don't know?  

 Shows dates of occurring and when it was requested  it also shows when this was requested by the enforcement notice people back in January!!  

[dx100uk]

still no real reason to phone.

 

are you going to scan up all this DVLA info?

 

dx

[FTMDave]

11 hours ago, Impressmum said:

I said we will give them a week and call back.

They'll be wetting themselves no doubt.

 

This is the company who fitted your daughter up for four grand, refused to respect their legal responsibilities in response to the SAR, and then took advantage of your mistakes to lie and to pretend to have never received it.

 

I'm sure they will get their act together in the next week after your ultimatum

 

You recorded the call of course.

 

We don't write this to be nasty, but to point out that you need to have evidence to show to a judge - and you have nothing.  You continue to trust these parasites - as dx and Nicky Boy say they just take advantage of your naivety.

 

At least get a proper SAR sent off as I suggested five posts above.  It might turn out to be a waste of time.  But it can't harm you and might release information for a later hearing.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2023 by FTMDave
OTT post from me toned down

[dx100uk]

thats an sar to QDR required here now.

their call logs regarding what was said today would be invaluable..and almost pit OPS against QDR?

 

was not the other suggested SAR to OPS?

 

if the two dont match on certain information surely that almost total curtains to everything as it proves one or the other is/was/has lied and poss to the court regarding docs/statements already produced???

 

just musing.......

 

dx

 

[Nicky Boy]

Confused again!

You say the DVLA info was only requested back in January. (This year?)

 

If so, how did they launch a claim against you two years ago??!!

[FTMDave]

dx is spot on.

 

SARs to both OPS and QDR today.  Both sent with your daughter's name on.  Both with I.D. included.  Copies kept of both.  Two free Certificates of Posting obtained - and kept.

 

This is your only hope.

[FTMDave]

2 hours ago, Nicky Boy said:

Confused again!

You say the DVLA info was only requested back in January. (This year?)

 

If so, how did they launch a claim against you two years ago??!!

I think the OP is referring to a request to the DVLA made by herself to find out who had been accessing her data.

 

This was suggested by LFI in post 16.

 

The idea was to get this info for help in the set aside application and ultimately to defend the fleecers' claim.

 

I think initially the DVLA didn't reply and the OP decided to do nothing about that, to not to apply for set aside and to simply defy the court order.  A terrible decision.

 

Now the OP has jumped into gear.

 

We need to see this info.

[Impressmum]

Apologies for the late response. Grandparent's duties called.  

 

 

 

None of the dates are in order as you see and these references in the columns  are not the same as what was sent in the the single email to us from OPS on 2021 with parking tickets numbers on 

dvla.pdf

[FTMDave]

This is further bad news.

 

The fleecers are supposed to apply to the DVLA for the keeper's details for every "offence" and not just rely on past applications, otherwise someone could sell the car and the new owner would be wrongly pursued.  Often they are too lazy to do this.  But it seems sadly they have here.

 

I make it 15 OPS tickets.  Remind us how many tickets you are being sued for?

 

If you don't have that figure, remind us of the exact amount of the judgement against you.

Edited April 17, 2023 by FTMDave
Mistake rectified

[Nicky Boy]

Dave,

The odd one you've spotted looks like a Court Enforcement enquiry rather than a PPC enquiry?

 

Checking to see whether the car was still owned and could be seized during enforcement?

Edited April 17, 2023 by Nicky Boy

[FTMDave]

You're right Nicky Boy, apologies.  Your spotting skills are much better than mine!

 

I've edited my post.

Edited April 17, 2023 by FTMDave
Extra info added

[brassnecked]

Looks like 18 requests to DVLA from OPS, and one from the Bailiffs.

[dx100uk]

pdf done

[FTMDave]

I make 15.

 

10/04/2018   12/03/2018   118
08/06/2018   04/06/2018   781
09/10/2018   05/10/2018   864
25/02/2019   21/02/2019   245
25/03/2019   21/03/2019   490
04/04/2019   31/03/2019   209
08/04/2019   03/04/2019   497
08/04/2019   02/04/2019   478
23/04/2019   18/04/2019   473
28/05/2019   23/05/2019   776
28/05/2019   24/05/2019   827
12/06/2018   06/06/2018   554
14/06/2019   10/06/2019   930
18/06/2019   14/06/2019   418
24/06/2019   20/06/2019   821

 

I've included the last three digits of every DVLA reference number.

 

Perhaps the OP could confirm and answer the questions above re the judgment.

 

Plus confirm that SARs have been sent to OPS and QDR as dx suggested.

[Impressmum]

Hi everyone.  

 

Sorry for the late response.  There was a total of 23 references in total. I just didn't  end up uploading the final page. 

SARS have been sent in writing with proof of postage to OPS and Qdr as next day post. 

[FTMDave]

That explains it then.

 

The individual invoices were for £100.  But the fleecers have unilaterally added £60 Unicorn Food tax, so £160.  £160 x 23 = £3680.

 

£3680 + £205 claim fee = £3885.

 

Add interest and legal representatives' costs and you get to four grand.

 

It's going to take a hell of a lot to explain away 23 tickets.