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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include? Β  BackgroundΒ Β  1.1Β  The Defendant received theΒ Parking ChargeΒ Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.Β Β  Unfair PCNΒ Β  2.1Β Β On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.Β Β As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly showsΒ aΒ Β£60.00Β parking chargeΒ notice (whichΒ will be reduced to Β£30 if paid within 14 days of issue).Β  2.2Β  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a Β£100.00Β parking chargeΒ notice (reduced to Β£60 if paid within 30 days of issue).Β Β  2.3β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.Β  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is Β£60 on their signs and then send demands for Β£100.β€―Β Β  2.4β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The unlawful Β£100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant'sΒ Particulars of Claim.Β  No Locus StandiΒ  3.1Β  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of β€œRelevant contract” fromΒ the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,Β Β 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-Β Β  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; orΒ Β  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment ofΒ parking chargesΒ in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According toβ€―https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44Β Β  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.Β Β  3.2Β Β The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.Β Β The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if β€œParking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.Β  Illegal Conduct – No Contract FormedΒ Β  4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following,Β in response to the CPR request from myself.Β Β  4.2β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issueΒ parking chargeΒ notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.Β Β  4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.Β Β  4.4β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.Β Β  No Keeper LiabilityΒ Β  5.1β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of theΒ PoFAΒ 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.Β Β  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply withΒ PoFAΒ 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioningΒ β€œthe right to recover from the keeper so much of thatΒ parking chargeΒ as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement β€œ(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.β€― Β Β  5.3β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.Β  Β  Protection of Freedoms Act 2012Β Β  The notice must -Β Β  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;Β  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.Β  5.4Β  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.Β  No Breach of ContractΒ Β  6.1β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€― No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.Β  6.2β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€― The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,Β  InterestΒ  7.1Β  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation forΒ  Double RecoveryΒ Β  7.2Β  The claim is littered with made-up charges.Β  7.3Β  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a Β£60 charge yet their PCN is for Β£100.Β  7.4Β  As well as the Β£100β€―parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional Β£70.Β Β This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.Β  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of Β£100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated β€œUpon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for Β£60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of Β£160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for Β£160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''Β  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the Β£60 the Judge dismissed the case.Β  7.8β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of theβ€―Consumer Rights Actβ€―2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.Β Β  7.9β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).Β Β  In ConclusionΒ Β  8.1β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―β€―I invite the court to dismiss the claim.Β  Statement of TruthΒ  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand thatβ€―proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, orβ€―causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truthβ€―without an honest belief in its truth.Β  Β 
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.Β  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble. Β 
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and Β£100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and Β£60 PCN. Don't let on!Β  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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ParkingEye/DCB(L) ANPR PCN no.1. 15/09/2020 - Letter of Claim now Claimform - - Hallsville Quarter, London Basement And Surface


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Hi CGA,

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Here for some help again please.. Been issued with PCN for overstaying in the gym by 44 minutes, total 2 hours 44 minutes. Usually get 2 hours for free, and longer if I punch in my car registration at the gym which I forgot to do.

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Is there anything that I can do to fight this? I also stopped at Morrisons to get some groceries. The car park normally belongs to Morrisons customers too.Β 


Thanks

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ParkingEye ANPR PCN - Overstay - Hallsville Quarter, London Basement and Surface

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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For PCN's received through the post [ANPRΒ camera capture]

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

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please answer the following questions.

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1 Date of the infringement

15/09/2020
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2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

22/09/2020
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[scan up BOTHSIDES as ONEΒ PDF- follow theΒ upload guide]

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3 Date received

03/10/2020
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4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

No
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5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Yes - arrival/departure times.Β 
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6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

No
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Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

N/A
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7 Who is the parking company?

Parking Eye

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8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

Hallsville Quarter, London - Basement and SurfaceΒ 
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For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

POPLA

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I see you have received what appears to be an annual invoice from some parking company or other.πŸ™‚

There is quite a break between when they alleged they sent the letter and the date you received it. Was that because you have a leased car, a redirect from a previous address or something else.

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As that means that you are not liable as the keeper you must be careful not to reveal if you were the driver or not. So do not risk appealing especially as it is the IPC involved- you will never get it cancelled by them.

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If Morrisons is in the same park as the gym , it might be worth writing to them explaining that the driver [not you] did some shopping with them and say that they didn't expect their bill to have increased by Β£100 and ask if they could kindly cancel the PCN.Β 

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Hi there,

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There was no changes to my vehicle, I've had it for 5 years and my address is correct with DVLA.

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I have done the following directly with the manager of Morrisons and the gym, however have had no response at all.


Should I be preparing for the worse, and if so what can I do?


Thanks

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you don't appeal.

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bar getting photo's of all the signs and clear copy of the small print on them.

their positions on a diagram

what the view is BEFOREΒ entering the car park

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checking they have planning permission for their signs,Β ANPRΒ camera's and poles for each

you do nothing.

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await and see if they send aΒ letter of claim.

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ignoreΒ stupidΒ DCA's

they are NOT BAILIFFS

and haveΒ 

ZERO legal powers on any debt, no matter it's type.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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Hi Dx,

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Thanks. I have now received a letter of claim. I have got all the images of the signs and cameras and area.

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Unfortunately I could not find planning permissions, or I do not know how to do so.

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Can you please advise what my next course of action should be?

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ericbrother snotty letter time.

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PP should all be available from the planning portal on the relevant council website

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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Could you please post up your Letter of Claim as they usually take several months at least before they start going down that route , if at all.

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Could you please post the postcode for the Hallsville quarter as there are two in London.

Most parking companies don't bother with planning permission since it takes too long and therefore interferes with their ability to rip off motorists. But not to have that permission is illegal and it follows that the signs are there illegally too. It also breaches their Code of Conduct.Β 

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Well done for getting their signage done and if you post it up we can see if it complies with their Code of Conduct.

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What we need to see is

the sign at the entrance and

the signs around the carpark, especially any that are different.

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Its another situation that can go wrong for them and thus fail toΒ  create a contract between PE and motorists.

You still have a week or so to respond to their Claim letter if that is what it is.

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I expect if it is then we will suggest a snotty answer to show that you are confident about beating them.

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Hi,

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Thank you so much.

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This is the link to location -Β Bothwell Cl, London E16 1QTΒ -Β https://goo.gl/maps/StJyo6KRw7bqfSSp7

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Please also see attached images of signs/car park and letter before county court claim.


With the county court claim there is attachment of annex 1 information and some questionnaires.Β 


Thank you so much!

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thats a letter of claim not a court claimform.

you don't need to use any of itΒ 

just a snotty letter ...have you not found one yet as advised 2 weeks ago?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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re-read your thread then

and no need to keep hitting quote

just type.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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Thank you for the postcode and photos.

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I have looked at the Newham Council planning and there is no mention of any permissions being applied for.

Ergo there is no planning permission for their signs therefore the signs should not be there so they cannot form a contract with motorists.

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There is a sign at the entrance which is facing in one way that motorist turning rightΒ into Β theΒ  car park wouldn't even see Β it .Β And even those coming from the left would have difficulty reading it or understanding that they were entering a private car park.

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ericsbrother has written lots of 'snotty letters' to parking companies over the years, it's what we suggest sending when some has a Letter Before Claim.

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Have a look in our Parking Successes forum, especially for threads where people won against Parking Eye, and see what they sent. The idea is that Parking Eye decide you could be trouble if they try court and let things drop.

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HB

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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What do you guys think of below? Do I need to add anything else?

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Thanks

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Hello again, kids

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Lesson time!

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Thanks for wasting your pennies and sending me letter before claim. I understand you think I owe you something. Looking forward to playing this game. Guess who will win?

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You can forget to think I have any interest to pay the imaginary sum of Β£100 for your poor explanation behind the ludicrous claim.

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I hope you are aware that you do not even have planning permission for the poor signage on this site and the silly ANPR camera.

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Looking forward to hearing from you no more.

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Best wishes

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Santa

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Well done on the snotty letter.Β  A bit different from the usual ones but a bit of innovation is welcome πŸ˜†

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I tend to agree with lee19921992 that maybe mentioning planning permission is playing your cards too early, plus they know they never do PP.Β  How about this tweak to show you know the law but remaining suitably cryptic?

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Hello again, kids

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Lesson time!

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Thanks for wasting your pennies and sending me a letter before claim. I understand you think I owe you something. Looking forward to playing this game. Guess who will win?

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You can forget to think I have any interest to pay the imaginary sum of Β£100 for your poor explanation behind the ludicrous claim.

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Know the legal term "de minimis"?Β  Thought not.Β  But the judge will.Β  Go and look it up thickos.

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Ah, the thought of the vaccination roll out, then me relaxing on a beach in the Med knowing you've paid for it after an unreasonable costs order under CPR27.14(2)(g).Β  Bliss!

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Looking forward to hearing from you no more.

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Best wishes

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Santa

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I see the fleecers won't do anything before 10 December so there's some time yet.Β  See what others think tomorrow and then send the letter off on Wednesday with a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.

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Looks OK with FTMDave revisionΒ  Have they added the Unicorn Feed tax in the sum demanded, aka the Β£60 that was found to be abuse of Process in the OPS judgment at Lewes CC?

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marksΒ and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVERΒ  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight...Β 

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