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    • Hello, welcome to CAG. I imagine the letter that the security guards talked about will be a letter from a company or lawyers who specialise in trying to extract money from shoplifters. I think Sainsbury's use DWF solicitors, otherwise it could be a company like RLP. It won't be a 'fine', only the police can do that. Look at this as a parallel 'justice' system that doesn't involve the plice. If you read around the forum for other cases of shoplifting, you'll get the idea of how this all works. If you think your behaviour has become compulsive, we suggest having a chat with your GP who should get you help for this. Best, HB
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    • Hi all…. i was wondering if someone could help me. I am ashamed I have been caught shoplifting from Sainsbury’s by two undercover security guards who I suspect have been following me for a week now… I have been impulsively shoplifting due to what I think could have become an addiction of some kind. I am ashamed of what I had been doing and I do believe being caught has been for the greater good. i was taken to a room and asked to empty my bag, the guards were slightly rude but I complied with them politely as I know they are just doing their job and I am in the wrong. They retrieved my address, name, birthdate and took a photo of me, they asked me how many times I had shoplifted and I said twice and I didn’t want to be foolish and say just once. They issued me a letter of ban from the store and if I was caught in the store again the police would be called. They told me I would be paying 2x what I had stolen today as the goods had been damage which I am guessing is stole around £65 worth roughly. I did offer to pay for the items I had stolen on the day but they declined. They did not call the police but let me leave after claiming I was a lucky person. They told me to expect a letter in the post and that I “would be smart not to ignore it”  what should I be expecting in the post from them? I am aware from reading a lot online about security costs.. people mentioned to ignore these costs however as I had damaged the labelling on the goods should I still comply and pay the fines ?  kind regards awful shoplifter
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Hello, I am in the process of agreeing a settlement with an employer. I need advice on the following:

1. I have asked for a breakdown of the lump sum payment, they have refused so far.

2. They have stipulated that any taxes or such by HMRC on the lump sum is my responsibility.  Can this be their responsibility?

3. There is an agreed reference letter. My employer however has not agreed on what their response will be to tick box reference requests. This leaves me open to a bad tick box reference. What is my wriggle room on this.

 

I am now tempted to request for all information, they have on me - GDPR.

 

I am okay with the lump sum , however I want my employer to do / provide the above.

 

Thank you.

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6 hours ago, Dire1 said:

So far, the pitfalls have been highlighted by the legal adviser, but there's been no advice on what I can do.

I've now been referred to a specialist employment lawyer. Thank you. 

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Lump sums are usually tax free for severance if under £30k so yes, your responsibility to ake sure you dont fall foul of HMRC shoud you decide to take a pension lump sum at the same time for example. Your normal pay and any paymet in lieu of notice wont be tax free though so you will need to chack what the offer includes

 

With the reference letter I would suggest that you get someone to drfat something and then offer it to them as mutually acceptableand that way of they agree to this but then slag you off later you have comeback. Tick box references are usually so anodyne there is nothing to say ohter then what is true so if you were off sick then they put the dates but wont say what was wrong, if you were formally disciplined in the recent past that will go down as well, the settlement cant hide the past truth as the next employer could sue them for telling lies on their form..

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Thank you for the advice.

 

The settlement is under £30k. I didnt have a notice period to serve, but understand it is a contractual matter.

I have noted the settlement is PILN, at gross rates which is fine. Do I call HMRC?

 

The reference is an issue though as if one is agreed, is there not a legal obligation on the employers part to maintain the same tone otherwise what's the point? How can this be captured within the agreement?

 

Certainly factual information is what it is e.g. no disciplinary actions, so no different on any format.

 

What I have seen in practice though is the informal phone call to get information, guess I just have to get on with things and keep that out of my head.

 

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You will get a pay statement and will have to fill out a tax return if the employer doesnt file their usual real time records so dont worry about things  for now.

 

You cant stop them saying what they want in informal phone calls but if they do say things that arent true thenm you have recourse to law to get an apology adn compensation for the damage done by the untrue statements.

i think you are overanalysing this though unless you have been bitten before. chances are once they have settled and waved goodbye they will be breathing a sigh of relief that thsi is all over regardless of what led to this position, they know it is the end so wont want to be causing more trouble for themselves.

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