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Creation/Shoosmith Claimform - old Flybe Card - Now N244 to lift stay and request SJ


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What is the status of the claim on mcol?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So the claim is stayed

yours in not the next move then

 

when you filed your defence did you also then or previously sent cca/cpr request s??

 

Can you scan up all they have sent to one multiple page pdf please

 

Not single page files please use pdfmerge in our upload guide

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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One file only please

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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this is part of the pack Shoosmith sent the entire contents are 54 pages and when merged into pdf it come to 33mb even with the images at 200dpi. The parts I have not posted are the statements from June 2017 to Sep 2020 and a financial means form.

 

docs return .pdf

 

 

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where the signup tick box and time and date of that 

and evidence of the IP used?

was this an online sign up?

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Cant see them wasting £244 to try court without a signed agreement online or otherwise.

 

the funny thing is in the last 2 dealings ive had with sigma there was never the signup sig sheet either. Nor the proof of ip address used.

 

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Why?

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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i advise you to use DAZ washing powder...

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Received this last week, should I do anything?

Dear Mr

I act for Creation Financial Services Limited and write further to my letter dated 18 February 2021. I note that we have not received a response to that letter and attach a copy for ease of reference.

 

I ask that you contact me with your response by a date no later than 24 March 2021, failing which I will have little option than to seek my my client’s instructions to make an application for summary Judgment.

 

Should such an application be necessary, I will also be seeking an Order from the Court that you pay our client’s costs.

 

I trust the above course of action will not be necessary and look forward to hearing from you by no later than 24 March 2021.

Sarah Hancock
Chartered Legal Executive

 

 

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ignore, letter,or email? was it?

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you've been here long enough to know you should be ignoring, blocking and bouncing all emails from any fleecer or their dogs.

it's just a cheap way to harass people...but sadly some will wet themselves and fall for it...so its worth for a free email. just remember they have no way of knowing you ever read it anyway..

 

as long as you've not moved since the stayed claim, then should they really be that intent in issuing an n244@£255 then they will do so .

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Help needed, received this from the courts stating they want the stay to be lifted, I'm not sure how I stand with this because as part of the agrement I'm still paying them the £2 a month as agreed and as stated in paragraph 14 of the witness statement also in the letter dated 13th January

 

Claimants N244 WS + Exhibits.pdf

 

 

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On 12/03/2020 at 01:21, dx100uk said:

aha...sigma bank.

now I've been in court twice with Flybe (sigma bank) debts and they couldn't get the CCA for either of them.

however this is the Original Creditor as a claimant not a DCA like mine cabot.

 

 

 

so still no enforceable agreement then.:pound:

 

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says that on the order.

 

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Evening Everyone

Received another letter from Shoosmiths today which is attached but I've added the letter sent to me a year ago.

 

I'm guessing even though they have accepted my £2 a month offer they have worded it well enough to be able to take this to court.

 

I'm getting worried because i do not know how or what is a skeleton argument and how to make one, I've read up on it but worried I'll get it wrong

 

Many thanks

 

 

 

I think this one should work

Shoosmith_18-05-21_and_20-02-2020 blanked.pdf

 

 

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had to hide the post with the WS in as the PDF's have your name showing on lots of letters  now   sorted

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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