Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

USA seems to be mainly Pfizer, and J & J think they also have Moderna.

 

this was March in NY Times

 

These Covid Vaccines Are Now in the U.S. Others May Be Coming. - The New York Times

WWW.NYTIMES.COM

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Two vaccines are in wide use, a third is getting there, and there may soon be more alternatives. Here is a rundown.

This was State of Virginia

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/content/uploads/sites/191/2021/03/VDH-Vaccine-flyer-compare-vaccines.pdf

 

 

UK Gov MHRA JCVI have relied on the US data with no special investigation of their own apparently  MHRA is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, so is there a conflict of interest?

[tobyjugg2]

Literally a billion doses of the O/AZ out there, and not enough valid test info for US approval

- in fact the OA/Z data submitted made them flag it as 'examine this more closely

 

Even the EU's authorisation was muted and full of 'insufficient data statements

- although the EU hating fruitcakes will squeal 'thats because the eu hate us' - which more seems avoiding that accusation a likely reason that they authorised it

 

How the heck could any of that happen with an Oxford/UK vaccine?

well we know - but for Gods sake - talk about dragging reputations down to his level

[unclebulgaria67]

Covid-sufferer says virus is 'nothing to be afraid of' in vlog days before he died from the disease | Daily Mail Online

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Solicitor Leslie Lawrenson, 58, died at his home in Bournemouth, Dorset, just nine days after releasing two videos to Facebook explaining why Covid-19...

 

[honeybee13]

Very sad, UB. I saw a similar story yesterday about a fit man in his early 40s who thought he was strong enough not to need the vaccine. He died too and his family are pleading with the public to get vaxxed.

[unclebulgaria67]

Always is personal choice and I can understand why some people do not want to be vaccinated.

 

There are many younger people who believe that the risk outweighs the benefit. They think that getting Covid will most likely lead to fairly mild symptoms, whereas the vaccines can have side effects.

 

There is concern with some of the new vaccines, that we don't know whether they may cause problems in the years ahead e.g. to fertility.

 

Those who decide to not be vaccinated may have come to a considered choice taking into account all available information and are not just afraid to have an injection.

 

As someone middle aged, I decided to be vaccinated as the risk of covid causing serious illness or death was much higher.  

 

[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

 

There is concern with some of the new vaccines, that we don't know whether they may cause problems in the years ahead e.g. to fertility.

 

 

 

and there are people who spread that sh*t without qualifying it with 'there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support that opinion, and lorry loads to say there wont be

 

On the same basis, Theres no actual evidence that the actual, individual, specific next heinz bean you eat wont kill you or cause you fertility issues is there  - it might accidentally, or through some freak effect contain cyanide for example

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[tobyjugg2]

or just stick in your throat

or have a birth control pill embedded in it ..

 

Considering going on a ban the bean march Unc?

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[honeybee13]

Full Fact has looked at the figures for Test and Trace following a post on FB that went viral. It compared the cost of T&T with the cost of the Channel Tunnel.

 

FF think the cost of T&T in the first year was £13.5 billion.

 

https://fullfact.org/health/nhs-test-and-trace-cost/

 

[tobyjugg2]

and if it had been an effective well managed effort ...

--- it still would have been grossly (10x) over any reasonable budget - but forgivable

 

but it wasn't and isn't

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[tobyjugg2]

Seems Germany is proposing pfiser boosters for those who had o/AZ due to the 'lower effectiveness of the O/az vaccine

[honeybee13]

ICYMI, pranksters film Piers Corbyn appearing to accept £10k not to criticise A/Z vaccines.

 

YouTubers dupe anti-vaxxer Piers Corbyn into taking 'bundle of cash' to 'ignore' the AZ vaccine | Daily Mail Online

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The video, shared online, appears to show Piers Corbyn accept £10,000 in cash from someone he believes is an AstraZeneca...

 

And the long version if anyone wants to watch it, from the pair who made the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u34rnwBnll4

 

[tobyjugg2]

LOL - just as corrupt as Johnson

 

Just imagine j Colrbyn in power can't you and appointing his brother to address the 'covid cold'

 

a billion from the NHS budget to address the 'covid cold' by bringing in migrants to chop down cell phone poles and converting them for wood burners ..

(which are terrible for the climate even without tar/whatever coated wood)

 

 

 

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[brassnecked]

You can see in realtime what Corbyn would have been like, look at Drakeford in Wales.

[tobyjugg2]

LOL hardly

 

Still mandating masks in shops and transport isnt he ... nothing like Even Crazier Corbyn

.. or is that what you have issue with? in which case a Corbyn is perhaps still a poor simile

 

Evan Crazier Corbyn is the Welsh cousin isnt he ...

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[unclebulgaria67]

Anyone else going on the 'ban the bean' march in London tomorrow ?

 

Would help towards the environment in terms of emissions

 

@tobyjugg2  My earlier post is simply saying that some people won't have vaccinations because they have come to a rational decision.    Not saying this is a choice they should make but I would not want Government to pass laws forcing people to have vaccinations. 

 

Would not rule out the possibility that if there were more serious  pandemics in the future that Governments would pass laws requiring vaccinations unless medically exempt.

[brassnecked]

No TJ its not the masks, it was the Non Essentials ban and the muppetry round baby items, childrens clothes etc. TESCO in cardiff went so far as to stop selling baby feeding equipment and baby formula as non essential, until  Drakeford was kicked and relented and eased up with a clarification.  You don't live in Wales so have no idea what  he is like.

[unclebulgaria67]

COVID-19: Delta infections produce similar virus levels regardless of vaccination status, suggests early analysis

NEWS.SKY.COM

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Coronavirus levels in people with the Delta variant are similar regardless of whether they've been vaccinated - and it "may have implications for...

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, brassnecked said:

No TJ its not the masks, it was the Non Essentials ban and the muppetry round baby items, childrens clothes etc. TESCO in cardiff went so far as to stop selling baby feeding equipment and baby formula as non essential, until  Drakeford was kicked and relented and eased up with a clarification.  You don't live in Wales so have no idea what  he is like.

 

I dont dispute some of his decisions seem bonkers .. just a different sort, and less dangerous sort of bonkers to the Corbyns

 

8 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

There is concern with some of the new vaccines, that we don't know whether they may cause problems in the years ahead e.g. to fertility.

 

Those who decide to not be vaccinated may have come to a considered choice taking into account all available information and are not just afraid to have an injection.

 

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

My earlier post is simply saying that some people won't have vaccinations because they have come to a rational decision.   

 

Yes, people may WELL come to that decision rationally,

BUT 

In what way is your unqualified example of vaccine produced fertility problems a result of a 'rational decision' taking into account all information?

- unless you are including entirely unsupported bonkers conspiracy theories as 'information' in the same breath as 'rational decision'

 

You (perhaps unintentionally) used 'fertility problems alongside 'rational'  in the vaccine decision making process, implying credibility as Piers corbyn and many conspiracy fruitcakes do - I do and will strongly challenge that.

 

 

 

Your jest about beans actually raises a valid and serious point I hadn't considered

8 billion humans farting more with perhaps a hundred million less cow farts in number (but generally more methane per fart)

We might need to take the same anti-methane treatment as the Cows until the crisis is passed.

 

- but banning shale and fracking seems a better place to start ..

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[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

COVID-19: Delta infections produce similar virus levels regardless of vaccination status, suggests early analysis

NEWS.SKY.COM

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Coronavirus levels in people with the Delta variant are similar regardless of whether they've been vaccinated - and it "may have implications for...

 

 

 

we need to be careful to differentiate between virus levels in the blood, and high virus levels in the higher respiratory tract and sweat glands which increases transmission,

but rather concerning that the virus levels are not reduced, but symptoms/effects are? - that does seems strange to me but I'm no virologist

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[tobyjugg2]

"PHE said that of confirmed Delta cases that had ended up hospitalised since July 19, 55.1% were unvaccinated,

while 34.9% had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine."

 

..which vaccine is not stated

 

Indications are that B.1.621 is even worse

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[honeybee13]

..not how long ago the second dose was, from what you say.

[tobyjugg2]

I was just checking Uncs' link on info from PHE is regarding the same issues and variants that have already been highlighted by Israel and the US CDC

- it does seems to be

 

The CDC defined it as 'we need to acknowledge the war has changed' and say it is now possibly as infectious as chickenpox - and the changes back to strongly recommending mask wearing

 

oops reuters link added

U.S. CDC internal report says Delta variant as contagious as chickenpox - report

WWW.REUTERS.COM

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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has described the Delta variant of the coronavirus as being as transmissible as...

 

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[unclebulgaria67]

I don't hear the 'fat lady singing' on this Covid pandemic yet.

 

Yes the vaccines appear to be helping stop serious ill health in most people, but if the level of protection provided  starts to decline, with Governments removing safety measures, we may see an increase in hospitalisations in the Autumn/Winter period.

 

I can understand the Government wanting to provide some optimism about UK returning to life close to where it was in February 2020, but they need to make preparations for lockdowns as well as other measures being required without much notice.

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.08.21256619v1.full-text

[tobyjugg2]

IMCCO there has not been anything even remotely close to the edge of the ballpark of considering that this Coronavirus epidemic was anywhere near to 'under control' let alone over

I can understand that Johnson wants it all to just go away but it wont

I can understand that Johnson just wants to lie and evade and he will

 

I can see that a lot more people are going to get really ill and die.

and johnson will no doubt carry on with 'how could anybody have foreseen that me giving money to mates for duff stuff and throwing safety measures out the window  would cause that ..