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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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I did not get bills from sols yet and my calculation are based on previously received corespondance with SW.

Even Customer service could not explain how it was calculated.

From previous bills I know they included one more year in it which they not mention in Particulars and this to my knowledge would be now SB as the bill is from 01.04.2013.

I guess this is my defence, but how to word it for court, I have no idea.

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Remember that you are not expected to word it like a trained Lawyer. Keep it simple. Why put anything you might not understand if you were asked about your defence later on in a Court ?

 

I dispute the amount of claim. I have not received detailed evidence from the claimant to support the exact amount of claim. Southern Water Customer Services in a phone call on xx/xx/xxxx were not able to explain the amount of claim. I would query whether amounts subject to statute of limitations have been included. 

 

If you sent a CPR letter for evidence of claim and they have not responded, then also state that in your defence. 

 

As I understand it, you owe something. It is the amount that needs to be worked out and you are seeking an agreement to repay over a period. So that is something between you and Southern Water to agree between you. The defence is just to register that you dispute the claim amount to avoid a CCJ. That then gives time for parties to seek agreement.

 

 

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Particulars of claim for reference only

 

The Claimant is a statutory water and sewerage undertaker pursuant to the Water Industry Act 1991(the Act).

The Claimant claims the sum £969 for unpaid water and/or sewerage charges payable under s. 142-144 of the Act and the Claimants' Charges Scheme.

The unpaid sum of £969 is for water and/or sewerages provided to the Defendant(s) at

.....(address) for the period 01/04/2014 to 08/07/2015.

The claimant claims interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year  from 08/07/2015 to 11/06/2019 on £304 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of the judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £0.21

 

What is the total value of the claim?

£1423

 

#####Defence#####

 

1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 

2. It is admitted that I have in the past resided at xxxxxxxxx up until 2009 which is serviced by the the stated Utility Supplier for water and/or sewerage.

 

3. It is denied that I am indebted to the value of £969 and dispute the amount claimed as as I no longer resided at the property.It is admitted that I continued to use the address for correspondence only.

 

4.The claimant refuses to disclose statements or breakdown of how or from when the debt allegedly accrued and is therefore put to strict proof to quantify the charges and true dates.

 

5.. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed.

 

6. By reason of the facts and matters set out above, the claimants claim for the alleged amount is denied.

 

 

 

Edit to suit as I have not read your thread  in full.

 

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thanks andy

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you to all of you.

 

Question to point 2 of Andyorch response above.

 

If I put there that I resided there till 2009, which is is the truth, coz that is the time when I moved out from there, would this unnecessary complicate my response?

 

Should I actually state the date 07.2015 as end date, as I was still keeping it as my correspondence address till then and for SW its make me responsible for water charges?

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 07.2015.....even if you did move out in 2009 I assume you was still responsible for water fees up until 2015 ?

 

Or not ?

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Not true...its simple...either you informed the Water company that you are no longer responsible from 2009... the house was empty or you had tenants who would be responsible for payment or not ?

 

Sorry if your repeating yourself bu t I have not really digested your thread and just wanted to get a defence ready in time to submit today

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Hold on let me just run through the thread..... you was a tenant...wa you subletting or was it multi tenancy ?

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But your LL knew you had moved out in 2009...so obviously the remaining tenants or new tenant would have become responsible for the water fees.....or even the LL himself.

 

I have edited the defence slightly as there is no case of statute barred....its a disputed defence only on the amount claimed...its not denied that you you do owe something but not the amount claimed......submit it and it will buy you sometime and possibly further mediation attempts by the claimant.

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1 hour ago, ericsbrother said:

did you at any time between 2009 and 2015 tell the landlord or water co you had moved out?

As you appear to had no proper tenancy it cant be proved you were responsible if you did tell someone

 

 

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I did call SW in 2014 after I discovered default on my file, but they asked for new address which I couldn't provide, as I wasn't really living anywhere else.

So they ignored it and sent me financial support pack, which I did not requested.

 

On their notes from the phonecall is no mention about me telling them that I do not live there. And recording is only kept for 6 months.

 

As a tramping track driver you spend most of a time in the track, and you don't need permanent place to stay.

So it was a little bit with my GF, motorhome and sister in all that time. So I had to have some fixed address for corespondance, banking and other things.

 

And I still had tenancy agreement there, as LL was happy to keep it this way, but it wasn't official that someone else living there, in the agreement respect. 

Other people been on Voters register there, banking and all the rest.

 

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Hi, 

Last week was very busy with corespondance regarding SW claim.

 

First was confirmation from Court, that they received my defence, then from Shulman's that they no longer act on SW behalf as SW take over from now on. 

 

Then on 25/07 I get letter from SW saying they do not going to accept my defence if I do not provide acceptable proof that I was not living there, and as for bills requested in CP13 they refering to emails as confirmation that I already received them prior to the claim.  

 

This is true however the claim amount/dates do not match with bills and that's why I need clarification from them what they using as  a base for calculation.

 

I'm going to upload the letter once I make it ready for public forum.

 

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The court decides if a defence is viable and acceptable ...not the claimant.

 

As for any changes if its just the Solicitors changing the claimant has to inform the court.

 

https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part42

 

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Then on 25/07 I get letter from SW saying they do not going to accept my defence 

 

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Yes ...the devil is n the detail

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"I am in receipt of your defence in respect of the above mentioned claim and respond accordingly. 

 

I note the basis of your defence is that you moved out of the supply address in 2009. However, I have 
noted that you appear to be unsure of the dates you occupied the property. On 6 February 2019 during a call to Southern water, you advised that you were at the supply address 2003-2008 or 2009 or 2010. 


Unfortunately, you have never provided documented proof of your move out, together with a forwarding address. 

 

During a telephone call to this office on 11 July 2019, you advised me that you have kept all your personal accounts, such as your bank account, registered to the supply address and frequently return to the property.

At the time of the call you were unable to confirm that you could provide any details of where you had been living, following you move out. 

 

It is further stated in your Defence that Southern Water have failed to provide copy bills or a statement breakdown.

However, I have obtained emails between UK Search Limited and yourself, whereby you 

have acknowledged receipt of bills and a statement of account. 

 

Under the circumstances, I must advise you that I am unable to accept your Defence, unless you are able to supply legitimate proof of you move out from the supply address and documents relating to the 
forwarding address. 

 

I look forward to receiving any documentary evidence you are able to provide, at your earliest convenience. 

Yours sincerely"

 

This is the text of the letter without addresses, case numbers, names etc.

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