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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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That all depends whether the porch is considered entry to the house or not in law.

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If the porch has a lock on both doors then its implied that its the inner door that they need to get thru but to be absolutely sure dont open any.

 

EA's cannot climb thru windows any more.

So be safe.

Get council tax bill and personal id like drivers licence.

Lock both doors behind you and show them.

You'll find if you do that they will say that's fine, they will return the warrant to court as not known with proof shown.

 

Also be assured that JBL only enforces civil debts so they have NO authority to force entry on the warrant..

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I have to refer to DragonFly1967 Post#14

 

I have had exactly what you describe happen to myself a few years ago.

 

The EA arrives at my front door with the Court Warrant shows me it then I notice is completely wrong name and wrong address.

 

I informs EA they are at the wrong address and I am not debtor.

 

The EA insists this is the correct address even after I point to the street signage where its obvious its the wrong address but EA insists.

 

I then inform the EA that I will go and get I.D. and I will not close door but they must remain outside my property (surpirisingly they did).

 

I then show EA my Driving Licence, Passport and Council Tax and demamnd full details of there company os how dare they come to my door accusing me

of someone elses debt just because they cannot read a map and get the correct address and to do this to a disabled veteran.

 

Just lets say the EA was like a rabbit in headlights changed there attitude, apologised gave me there details and off they went with tails between there legs

 

Did I let this go nop complaint about EA and got full apology.

 

 

Then it gets better well you will laugh I did at the time.

 

So exactly 2 days after the apology my door goes, not expecting anyone.

 

There are 2 Police Officer, are you XYS as we have a Warrant for your Arrest.

 

Me think you have the wrong person and address (its the ruddy same name and address the EA got wrong) came I see the Warrant please.

 

What do the Officers do show me the warrant with that persons name and address on it.

 

So I say look round at the road signage and I will also go get I.D. and will leave door open.

 

Comes back shows them my Driving Licence, Passport and Council Tax.

 

They are like rabbits in headlights also and cannot apologise enough and say it was the EA that gave them directions to my property.

 

Mass complaint goes in and I will give the Police there due was investigated quickly,and fully apology from a very Senior Officer.

 

Oh and the EA got a severe kick up the butt.

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So how did the Police get a Warrant to arrest you and on what charge?

You pointed out their mistake (with evidence) and provided your ID, resulting in NFA. That's all the guy in the video had to do.

The video starts with an open door and a person filming the 'unexpected' approach of EA & locksmith.

The video producer has an obvious axe to grind with DCBL. Why?

Does anyone sense a set-up?

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They didn't have a warrant to arrest Stu007, they had a warrant to arrest some other person at a different address.

 

Again, it's said that "That's all the guy in the video had to do" (my bold)

 

 

Whilst I'm in full agreement that it would have proved that the EA had the wrong person, the person in the video had/has no duty to the EA to provide anything. Thankfully, we do not live in a country where you have to prove your ID on demand (outside of certain circumstances) and if an EA came to my door with an attitude looking for someone that didn't live here, they'd only get one answer and it wouldn't include my ID.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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You would politely ask them to Foxtrot Oscar as I would then DF?

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If it was nothing to do with me or anyone else in my household. I'd certainly start with polite, where it went from there would be up to the EA :lol:

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In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Especially if he has the wrong address and you are not the debtor.

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The point I was trying to make is that the EA will not be as interested in paperwork as in physical proof that the debtor does or does not live there.

 

As said there is no requirement for an address on a warrant, in fact the debtor may live at several addresses and the bailiff may attend to serve at any of them. The warrant is against the debtor, not the debtor at an address. It requires only enough info to identify the person.( see CPR wherever it is).

 

The bailiff will be much more interested in getting in and checking for clothes in wardrobes, sleeping accommodation, letters etc.

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few questions for the people who have said they would refuse to provide details. well why? i guess is the first one.

what is the obsession in 2018 for being deliberately obstructive? not having a go just like to know the reasons why.

 

when people say the EA should do the research, well what about this scenario:

the writ has the address on. the company have done an experian search and it shows bank accounts and revolving credit & budget accounts at that address.

the occupier isnt the debtor but refuses to say who they are.

what more can the agent possibly do if the occupier is refusing to provide info other than continue with their actions?

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Speaking only for myself...

 

1. It's not about being 'deliberately obstructive' at all for me. But, an EA, or anyone else that comes to your front door has absolutely no right to demand to see ID. As I said before, if they asked nicely, they might get it. If they demand it, well, it's not going to happen.

 

2. They are welcome to continue with their actions, I don't have any problem with that at all. That is after all their job and what they are commanded by the court to do. But they can continue their actions somewhere else. They won't be continuing anything with me.

 

 

As I also said before though, it'd be a completely different scenario if the person at the door is lying through their teeth. I'm talking about a scenario where, even if they had the right address on the writ/warrant, that person had never lived here to my knowledge (and it wasn't me)...

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In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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The EA has a perfect right to be there if he is of the honest belief the debtor lives there, regardless. Sorry

 

 

If after the event the person feels there was no sufficient cause for such a belief, a complaint can be made.

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Just to set the record straight, I despise Freeman of the Land and everything they stand for. I have done my utmost over the years to protect and rescue people from their recklessness and I consider any suggestion that I am aligned with them as defaming.

 

It's a shame that you are so quick to smear someone who you disagree with, and tag them as a member of one of the worst cults in English history, because ironically that in itself is a Freeman tactic: Painting the opposition as someone with the very worst of malign intent. My aim, like yours I would hope, is to help people. If you believe me to be wrong then simply defaming me is in no way going to make me receptive to your views.

 

I could just as easily start throwing around accusations that some of the users of CAG are shills for Enforcement Agencies - indeed some of the postings on this thread certainly read like that. But I would rather not engage in childish forum wars. There's plenty of that to be found on various websites, which you would expect from that hive of deluded manics. But I expected more from CAG.

 

Pity really, because there has been many a time I have referred people who have experienced problems with EAs to this website and spoke of it with the highest praise.

 

I don't agree that an enforcement officer has the power to enter the wrong person's home just to search it for ID. That was the main point of the video. I'm sorry if that appears obstructive or unreasonable to some of the authoritarians on this forum, but I guess when it comes to an Englishman's castle, I have old fashioned values.

 

I think you will find the law agrees with me on that point as well.

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I think you will find the law agrees with me on that point as well.

 

A lot of people here agree with that as well Crimebodge. However, if everyone agreed, this wouldn't be much of a forum, so you, I and everyone else have to accept that now and again (or most of the time) someone will disagree with a post :thumb:

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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