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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi all,

 

Just looking for some advice on what I should do going forward. For the record I am a resident in Scotland.

 

I have accrued around 47k of unsecured debt among six creditors in the UK.

 

1 Ratesetter £23.8k P2P loan

2 Barclaycard CC £4.9K

3 Tesco Bank CC £5.9k

4 Virgin Money CC £6.2k

5 Hitachi deferred payment £4.5K

6 V12 Secure Trust Bank £1.8K

 

I am now at a point that I am about to start missing payments and will end up defaulting. I have spoken to step change who have recommended a DPP under the Debt Arrangement Scheme as I have a flat with equity that I wish to protect.

 

While this is the formal way of things I thought I could perhaps try the informal route first and doing a self managed DMP with it being more flexible and being able to pay off creditors with lump sums if I can get some overtime built up.

 

I filled out my income/expenditure sheet and included this in a letter to each of my creditors explaining I can no longer service my debts and included a revised payment amount (pro rata of £585 surplus). The letters were sent 1st class recorded signed for. All direct debits have been cancelled today also.

 

I assume it is now just a waiting game for their responses? I reckon they will more than likely reject especially Ratesetter - this is the debt I am most worried about as it's a high amount and essentially other peoples money.

 

Am I doing the right thing here? Should I just be going straight for the DPP to save any court cases?

 

Any help or advice on the matter is greatly appreciated.

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none are secured on your property?

when did you take them out

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Hi none are secured against my property.

I don't recall the exact dates however;

 

Ratesetter feb/March 2016

Tesco CC sometime around 2012

Hitachi deferred payment September/Oct 2015

Virgin CC summer 2016

Barclays summer 2016

V12 April 2016

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In Scotland there is a network of legal/debt advice centres with experts on Scottish law. You might want to see what you can find out locally, to see what you can do. They will want to see your finance agreements. Then at least you will know more and be informed about decisions you may take.

 

Stepchange as the major debt charity are recognised by finance companies, so you are more likely to be taken seriously. If you try to do it yourself, then they might not be as helpful.

 

These are all recent debts, so not much scope for ways to deal with them. If there is a temporary financial problem, then best to agree to some repayment arrangement based on affordability, where they freeze interest/stop adding charges. Then see how it goes and make decisions when you need to. At some point, if you cannot repay, then presumably they can try to obtain a charge against your property.

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ouch all recent then.

 

where that £25k all gone in 6mts?

 

nationaldebtline & their website is good on Scottish stuff and they are impartial.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I honestly wish I knew.

For the most part the loan paid some things off while,

I needed new windows put in,

had massive problems with my car at the time,

so paid off the existing finance and got shot of it,

had some large vet bills as well and had relied on credit a few times to get me through the months.

 

Silly,

but what is done is done and I have unfortunately learned the hard way.

I am committed now to getting myself out of the mess I'm in so will attempt the self managed side of it.

Thank you for your replies.

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Are there ANY other creditors which should be included?

 

Generally speaking, every organisation you owe money to should be included when you are trying to make pro rata payments from your "disposable income".

 

For example, you shouldnt be paying 1creditor in full if others are being asked to accept reduced payments.

 

Is this a temporary situation or is this how things are for the foreseeable future?

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Hi All,

 

I like many others got myself into a bad situation and had the oh bum moment around two years ago.

I sought help and almost entered into a DAS (Debt Arrangement Scheme which is a formal Scottish debt solution) but decided against it and went for a self managed DMP first.

Safe to say I'm glad I did so far.

 

Going forward I'd like to be rid of this burden as soon as possible so I can begin to move on with my life so looking for any advice going forward.

 

I had multiple creditors, one was my mortgage, one was my car, the rest were unsecured credit agreements, cc's and a loan.

 

I stayed up to date with one credit card, my mortgage and my car.

The rest I stopped paying and allowed them to go into default etc. and set up payment plans

In December I plan to clear my up to date credit card balance which will leave me with the car and mortgage still active and the following in default;

 

Tesco CC - default still with Tesco.

Barclay Card CC - default, sold to PRA group.

Virgin CC - default, sold to Cabot. They have previously offered to settle for 60% twice.

Hitachi Loan - Late Payment, sold to Lowell (Hitachi never defaulted prior to selling)

Ratesetter Loan - Default, Scott and Mears acting on behalf of OC. This is the youngest default at June 2017 they took their time to default.

 

These are all "recent" debts taken out after 2012.

Best to carry on with the DMP and saving up for a hopeful full and final or should be I sending any particular letters to the DCA's?

 

Thanks in advance!

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Have you CCA'd them?

 

PRA cabot dont chase legit debts. Lowell are very shady and theres usually something wrong with the debts.

 

CCA everything and also SAR the OC's so you can see exactly what youre dealing with. Never blindly pay.

 

Also NEVER under any circumstances consider a full and final to a DCA. Especially when you havent checked the debts validity.

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always CCA. Doesnt matter if its recent or not.

 

And yes, sar the OC's, including the ones that havent been sold on. You want to know everything about your debts before you start arranging payment plans

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For the ones that have been sold on, do you CCA the original creditors as well as the DCA's?

 

Should I be cancelling the payment plans that have been in place for the last year and a half prior to sending these?

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CCA everyone. Keep payment plans in place until they default on your CCA request. They get 12+2 working days to comply. The day it expires, if they havent fully complied, you stop payments until they do. ESPECIALLY if those payment plans are with DCA's who will NEVER have any paperwork or info for the debt unless you specifically request it.

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Be aware that the paperwork they send may very well be compliant, but its a very good idea to get as much info on the debts as possible so you can decide on your next move.

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ive merged an old thread and this op is in Scotland so remains in the Scotland forum .

 

go get your credit file.

lets see what damage is done

like defaulted dates please.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi dx100uk,

 

 

1 Ratesetter (Scott Mears acting on behalf) default date: March 2017.

2 Barclaycard CC (Sold to PRA Group) default date: Feb 2017.

3 Tesco CC (Not sold or passed on, in-house collections) default date: Jan 2017.

4 Virgin Money (Sold to Cabot) default date: June 2017.

5 Hitachi (Sold to Lowell) No default date, late payment markers only, around Jan-March 2017

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ratesetter was a form of PDL was it not...irresponsible lending complaint time?

 

as for the other yep a CCA request

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ratesetter was a Peer to Peer loan so don't think I have grounds for irresponsible lending.

 

 

Great, I'll draft up some letters tonight to get posted Monday/Tuesday. Is the below template still the go to? Send recorded with a crossed postal order enclosed?

 

 

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what does the top red line say?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Sorry, that particular line doesn't show up on the mobile browser very well - found it on the laptop.

 

 

Amended the template to suit and printed off the CCA letters ready to post tomorrow. In terms of the Ratesetter loan, do I send the CCA to the debt collector acting on behalf of Ratesetter or to Ratesetter directly?

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you send it to the DCA's stated client.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thats because they rarely ever are able to obtain the paperwork. Also it shows that they , and other DCA's chase people without even having the paperwork needed to do so.

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