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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi,

 

New here, hope someone can help me.

 

I received a Parking Charge Notice this evening,

in hindsight, I should have noticed the sign opposite my car, but I didn't, so here we are.

 

If you look at the image,

 

the notice doesn't seem to explain exactly WHERE parking is restricted

and I was parked by a kerb with no lines (yellow or otherwise) anywhere near it.

 

The offence on the ticket is listed as "other" and scrawled on there is "no parking in garages"

 

- I was not blocking any garage, it was on a side road which gave access to the garages but I wasn't blocking the way or anything.

 

In any case, upon further inspection, the ticket has an incorrect reg.

number on it (without giving my full reg they have written down an "M" which should be a "W" in both parts of the ticket)

 

 

however the ticket does suggest that the offence was "filmed".

 

My question is the obvious

- what steps should I take now?

 

I understand the advice is often to ignore, and given that they've incorrectly transcribed my reg I am inclined to do just that, however I am concerned that them having "film" of it may allow them to track me down anyway.

 

Any and all advice most welcome (the charge is £100 or £60 if paid in 14 days, I'd rather not pay!)

 

Thanks in advance!

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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This looks like one of those cases where they are inviting you to agree to a contract for an action which they have prohibited ("No Parking").

 

 

I'm sure the experts on here,

who will look at your case when you have fulfilled DX's instruction,

will tell you that you cannot create a contract under these circumstances,

so any claim they make is doomed to fail,

as they would be suing you for breach of a contract which cannot exist!

 

 

You've come to the right place. Follow their advice and you'll be fine.

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Cheers mate - have had a look on here previously as there are new parking restrictions where my parents live so was trying to be prepared for the ticket I will inevitably get at some point when visiting them...most of the signs there have been torn in half though, so I reckon that should be a pretty easy out if it ever happens.

 

Dx, firstly, great pic, love a bit of RW.

See below for answers to the form questions.

 

1 The date of infringement - 29/11/16

 

2 Did you appeal to the parking company - not yet

 

3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) - N/A

 

4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process - N/A

 

5 Who is the parking company - Vehicle Control Services LTD (appeals to IAS)

 

6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? Sc**thorpe, wasn't a proper car park, it's VCS's site number 02871 and is approximately as shown below

 

Hope this helps

 

Thanks again folks!

 

meant to add, no notice to keeper as yet (would be a fast turnaround if I HAD been sent one already!)

 

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Ok, ticket slapped on screen means you wait for the NTK through the post which must arrive between 29 and 56 days after the event.

 

 

As they cant get much right do nothing until then and come back here for further advice.

 

 

The signage doesnt form a contract anyway, typical VCS ignorance

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If they do dig out your keeper details they will have a hell of a job explaining why they had a "reasonable cause" to do so.

 

 

The crooks will probably send out a demand to both you and the other keeper whose reg details they have got by error.

 

 

They would then hope that you are both ignorant enough to pay up.

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Suspect the experts will ask you to post the NTK here, having deleted all references to your name, reg number and PCN reference number (in short, anything that could identify you as the driver by anyone reading this forum).

EB's last line in post #5 still stands. They won't beat you if you defend this.

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it looks like they have photographed the car and then used that information to access the DVLA database to get the keeper details.

 

 

It them begs the question what part of the law are they using to serve notice on you?

 

 

As they cant rely on the ticket on the screen and the NTK is too late for para 9 to create a keeper liability they then have to tell lies to get anywhere.

 

 

That, unfortunately is all too common

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NTK not POFA complaint,

they dont say who the creditor is

( they have to do this to be able to claim in their own name

- if not then they have no authority to ask you to pay them)

 

They also say that your details were obtained as keeper or owner of the vehicle.

Well, the DVLA doesnt keep records of the owner so that assertion may well be construed as getting the information withoout a reasonable cause to do so and thus a breach of the DPA.

 

 

AS the ticket has a diffrent car reg number you can easily argue that the letter should have arrived within 14 days and as it didnt there is no keeper liability.

They cant prove they have got it right and they must know this.

 

 

Saying they slapped a ticket on the right car but got the paperwork wrong wont wash UNLESS they get the muppet who cant read and write to turn up to court in person and explain why he did what he did and then VCS explain that it is common practice to doctor their paperwork to fit in with the story they want to tell.

 

Signage is garbage as you already know so all in all not a chance of getting money but that wont stop them trying.

 

Advice?

Tell them

"that they have no cause to claim a penny as they have failed to follow the protocols of the POFA and that you will counterclaim under the decision of VCS v Philip if they continue with this folly".

 

I would suggest that you dont tell them why they are wrong and keep all of your evidence tucked away nicely as Simon is pretty stubborn and is happy (?) to lose any number of unwinnable claims just to look big in front of his ex-clamper mates

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Hi,

 

Thanks for the advice - so if I go back to them at the email address supplied (cpo@vehicle control.co.uk) and say something like...

 

I recently received a notice to keeper/driver ref no xxxxx dated xxxxx.

 

I do not recognise this charge - VCS have not complied with with the Protection of Freedoms Act and as such must withdraw the charge immediately.

 

If you progress this matter further I will be forced to counterclaim under the decision of VCS vs Philip.

 

Sincerely...

 

In their appeal notes they also ask for the PCN ref number and any supporting information/evidence which would be a copy of the PCN - do I provide them with these or does that just serve to confirm I received it?

 

Thanks again!

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you DO NOT use or give them an email

that gives them a free route to harass you.

 

 

make them WASTE money on postage.

 

 

the blue text above is ALL you send

other than the PCN/REf no from their letter.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no appeal to the IAS, they are a kangaroo court, as per the definition in the dictionary.

 

Looking at their letter it is a stock response and not even a decent cut and paste job so not obeying the spirit of the law in this regard but to be honest we wouldnt expect anything else.

 

What to do? Wait for tehm to get their solicitors (probably Gladstones, whose partners are also the only directiors of the IPC and the IAS so no conflict of interest there is there) to write to to.

 

When they do you will see that the amount demanded leaps to £140 or some other made up amount. This is to allow Gladdyd the opportunity to earn a few quid out of the deal otherwise they would be working for free and rely on taking the matter to court to get paid and that is illegal as Champerty and Maintenance and we all know that solicitors, especially John and Will, are paragons of virtue and would never breach their solicitors oath by telling lies or acting in a manner that breaches the Civil Procedure Rules ( this is something you should read up on. and you will understand ).

 

When you get this new demand you should respiond to create a paper trail. A suitable response will be suggested when you get the demand.

 

Under no circumstances alter it to make it polite, that will make it more likely that you get a county court claim. Letting them know you are up for a fightmeans they will rather go quiet than lose at court, they play the numbers game on this as 85% of people dont fight

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powerless they are not bailiffs.

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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have you read any of the threads on this forum?

YOU DONT RESPOND TO A DCA ever.

they are rentathreats and have no interest in any matter so cant do or say anyting that counts.

 

 

If you do pay them they dont have to forward the money to the parkingco and you will still owe the money if it was a genuine debt.

 

 

That is how trustworthy these bandits are, completely unregulated because they dont feel like obeying the law.

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Go read post 20 again

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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