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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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I know DX says to ignore them but I get the feeling you are enjoying playing with them.

I would be saying, "OK, bring on the legal action. " I'm sure that Leeds NHS trust, being the client will begin legal action...NOT but of course they may be completely silly and do so.

 

If court action were to be taken, they would fail for the reasons mentioned above nd you could claim for your costs as well as the claim would be without merit.

 

I hope you have filed the complaints I mentioned.

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And the latest instalment:

 

 

Thank you for including extracts from the BPA code of practice.

 

 

Please note that there is no time frame for this notice to be sent as you have misread the guidelines, allow me to educate: "you should apply" is not the same as "you must apply". This is a guideline, any delay in this process only gives the driver extra time to resolve the matter, as explained in my email of 21/10/2016, this delay stands in our client's favour and definitely does not invalidate this account.

 

 

"notice to the keeper of the vehicle no more than 14 days after receiving the keeper data from the DVLA", the registered keeper's details were received on 03/10/2016 and the NTK sent on the same day, therefore our client is well within their legal right to pursue this PCN.

 

 

Please understand that I am not trying to threaten or scare you into paying. my contact with you is because my job is to give you the opportunity to resolve this account outside of the legal process. I am actually trying to help you save money.

 

 

I fear that this account will have to progress to the legal stage in order for you to take it seriously.

 

 

The next stage of progression will see this account passed to debt recovery on 02/11/2016.

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I will wait for your client leeds NHS trust to possibly, maybe, might, or be instructed too

issue a claimform

 

 

as I knew from day one ZZPS are a powerless DCA anyway.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I will wait for your client leeds NHS trust to possibly, maybe, might, or be instructed too

issue a claimform

 

 

as I knew from day one ZZPS are a powerless DCA anyway.

 

Oh DX, you do make me laugh Ghelyon.gif

 

As to the claim they trying to save you money, the only answer I can give is another smiley

 

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One other thing.

 

"notice to the keeper of the vehicle no more than 14 days after receiving the keeper data from the DVLA", the registered keeper's details were received on 03/10/2016 and the NTK sent on the same day, therefore our client is well within their legal right to pursue this PCN.

 

If you were to contact the DVLA, they can tell you when the keeper details were requested, who by plus the dates. If they differ from what is claimed you can then add that to the report to the BPA

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I would give up this childish letter tennis and block their emails.

The last thing you want to do is say somehting that creates a liability and the more you carry on the more it can be held, that on the balance of probabilities, you were the driver

 

 

so stop emailiong them and just send your letters of complaint to those who have some powe4rs to do something or are at least in a position of responsibility, such as the DVLA.

 

As you can see from the responses they know that they are talking out of the wrong end of their alimentary canal

but as you continue to give them some credence they will carry on because they think you are a mug and will fall for it eventually.

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they are the trade association for the cowboy clampers.

What do you expect them to say about the people who pay their salaries?

 

You are barking up the wrong tree and just wasting your time.

The only people you should be contacting are the DVLA to see who accessed your details and when and if that was outside the time allowed by the POFA to create keeper liability then you need to complain to them and the ICO for handing out your personal data without a reasonable cause.

 

 

The DVLA dont check to see if the people paying them to access the system are being honest so you have to find out and then go after them if you can.

 

When you can show that the parking co were out of order

then you go after their employers,

the hospital trustees

and tell them that they are ultimately responsible for the law breaking of their goons.

 

 

Embarrass the hell out of them by tying all of this together and giving it to the local papers

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Reply from BPA:

 

Thank you for your email below.

 

Once a parking charge notice has been issued a parking operator has up to six years to chase the alleged debt.

If the operator does not invoke the Protection of Freedoms Act for keeper liability (this is where the timescales are prominent), they may continue to chase the debt.

If you were not the driver you should (if you can) give the name and address of the driver so that liability can be transferred.

 

Unfortunately without the driver details, the parking operator will continue to chase the keeper and the courts will decide if the keeper was in all probability the driver.

You may wish to seek legal advice on this matter or appeal to the parking operator.

You have not named the operator so I cannot confirm if they are a member or not, they may be a member of the International Parking Community. www.theipc.info .

 

We will investigate any complaints about alleged non-compliance with the Code of Practice.

However, we are not set up to deal with disputes from the general public about parking or control.

We are not a legal entity nor a regulatory body.

Therefore, the Code does not provide a way for the driver to challenge how a landowner or operator has applied parking control or enforcement on private land.

Any challenge or appeal is a matter for the landowner's or operator's procedure, with the option of taking it to POPLA, and or the Courts.

We will not get involved in the arbitration of a dispute between an operator and an individual.

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so they couldnt be bothered to investigate the shinanigans of one of their members and then claim that the member doesnt have to abide by the ruls of membership.

 

That wont surprise any of the regulars here but the fact they have said that they dont care if their members dont follow their rules may well be useful to you as it rather deflates any claim of being an honest broker.

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so how did this go?

 

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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