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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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That’s right; after announcing that the government had “no further plans” for benefit cuts in March, Stephen Crabb is going back on his word.

 

He says “welfare reform” (whatever a Tory thinks that is) shouldn’t come to an end, just because the government has put in place measures that should cut the benefit bill by £12 billion.

 

Further cuts to disability and sickness benefits are in the pipeline, the Work and Pensions Secretary has signalled.

Stephen Crabb said he wanted to go further than the £12 billion welfare cuts set out in the Conservative manifesto and “re-frame discussion” around disability welfare reform.

The surprise announcement comes just under two months since Mr Crabb said the Government had “no further plans” for welfare cuts.

“The measures that have either already been legislated for or announced get us to the £12 billion [welfare cuts planned in the Conservative manifesto],” he said.

 

“Does that mean welfare reform comes to an end? I would say no. I’ve already pointed to what I see as one of the big challenges of welfare reform – and that’s around work and health.”

 

Mr Crabb told MPs on Work and Pensions Select Committee that he would deploy “smart strategies” for cutting expenditure on disability and sickness benefits and would hopefully be able to secure the support of disability charities.

 

Dear god, how much more can we take....

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I agree, it's terrible. Everyone who decides they can't work should get as much money as they feel they deserve for free, without any question, for ever.

 

None of your previous posts sound like a political rant at all Sadone. Do you really, really think Labour would do any different?

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This is what the tory self servers do kick the poor and disabled at every opportunity if there was a viable alternative political party i would be gunning for an early election if that is in anyway possible, but none of the other parties give a dam either,

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But imo ANYTHING is better then the bunch of monsters we have now. The others can be useless, but I've never known a party so intent as the Tories have been to destroy a part of the population. A part who sadly have difficulty fighting back.

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Makes you wonder who they would target if they cured us all or scrapped all benefits completely , would they still be on this crusade to save money? when the damage that they have done has actually cost the tax payer more than if they hadn't meddled ? IDS the changed man now has a conscience apparently , what next will he become a volunteer at his local CAB perhaps? more like his buddy doris will give him a job when PM when dodgy dave gets the chop

 

And Boris voted for these benefit cuts

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I think this thread would be better placed in the Bear Garden.

 

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I agree, it's terrible. Everyone who decides they can't work should get as much money as they feel they deserve for free, without any question, for ever.

 

None of your previous posts sound like a political rant at all Sadone. Do you really, really think Labour would do any different?

 

Except, it's not a case of deciding they don't want to work. Maybe you sould educate yourself. As much as I would love to work, it is actually impossible for me.

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Well this kind of thread always enrages many.Myself included.

I personally feel the Welfare System is a complete mess.

Many people have clearly been hurt by the whole System,whether , Atos, which i believe but could be corrected if wrong has cost more than it has saved.And seems for many, i apologise but kind of if you can touch a keyboard with your nose you are fit to work

And is claimed to have even cost lives.

 

Not just that but the Universal Credit system that seemed a good idea but is a complete shambles as well.

All the sanctions and more that have left some,vulnerable people in turmoil.

Clearly in my view a outdated Welfare system for this day and age.That i believe costs 400.00 a week for every man woman and child in the country.But once again correct me if i am wrong.

 

So we come down to Affordability i suppose.Whoever is in power has to it seems make savings.

So it will go on and on,for ever and a day.And we will curse them all.

 

Now i have looked around for a alternative for a while fit for the modern world.

And to create fairness for all.And would not hurt anyone if implemented one day.

And would counter Austerity,possibly end poverty and create a simple system.A modern system.Perhaps finish the unfair Welfare System once and for all.

 

Also it would take into consideration the needs of the Disabled,the poor,the people who want to work and those who do not.

And put people like Stephen Crabb out of work.Who despite his background when young,probably gets smacked about daily by Emperor Osborne who along with others in my view that is are wearing blinkers.Only see,cut,cut ,cut.No alternative.

 

And as you say it was said that no further cuts would be made in this parliament.

But they had already been made perhaps but not implemented.

But correct me if wrong.

 

Just to remind ourselves.

Government rules out any further cuts to welfare – video

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/mar/21/tory-turmoil-cameron-ids-osborne-back-after-ids-resignation-by-backing-compassionate-conservatism-politics-live?page=with%3Ablock-56f032e0e4b0304172354f20

 

That system is called the Basic Guaranteed Income.

Now i cannot go into the system massively on one thread.But here is the link that i update from time to time when time allows.

Think about it,take a little time to understand it.Let your imagination run with it.Because around the world at this very moment it is about to happen,and gaining supporters worldwide.May start a little slow but the picture becomes clear as the thread develops.

 

I have had my say,some may think i am barking mad,well fair enough.But i hope some may see the possibilities.

Better than forever cursing the Politicians.Let us put some of them out of work instead.

 

Basic Income Guarantee-Do You Like The Idea-Any Views-Have Your Say.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?461005-Basic-Income-Guarantee-Do-You-Like-The-Idea-Any-Views-Have-Your-Say.

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I agree, it's terrible. Everyone who decides they can't work should get as much money as they feel they deserve for free, without any question, for ever.

 

None of your previous posts sound like a political rant at all Sadone. Do you really, really think Labour would do any different?

 

Err, these are people who pay tax and national insurance. Your ignorance is plain.

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This is what the tory self servers do kick the poor and disabled at every opportunity if there was a viable alternative political party i would be gunning for an early election if that is in anyway possible, but none of the other parties give a dam either,

 

You will find that this change was pushed through by Tory MPs only. Not a single MP from another party voted in favour of this. Indeed, the House of Lords tried to block it on more than one occasion.

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I think this thread would be better placed in the Bear Garden.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

Thats a shame. IMO less people who it will actually effect will see it, and more posters who just want to have a dig will. But oh well....

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Thats a shame. IMO less people who it will actually effect will see it, and more posters who just want to have a dig will. But oh well....

 

I would tend to agree ....as it was at post #1...but you see how it soon became fractured from post#2 and will no doubt just turn into another rambling thread.

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Well dare I suggest maybe you could have just deleted that post to halt the usual cascade into idiocy/trolling. :)

 

And to ad similar themed threads have survived being posted in the other section and have managed to avoid descend into a slanging match.

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Well dare I suggest maybe you could have just deleted that post to halt the usual cascade into idiocy/trolling. :)

 

And to ad similar themed threads have survived being posted in the other section and have managed to avoid descend into a slanging match.

 

Are you saying that others of a different opinion aren't allowed to voice their thoughts ?

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No, and you obviously know that already. But if the mod doesn't want this to become a shouting match then you have to rein certain troll posts in (which I've seen done many times before in the benefit advice section), and which is what I categorize post number two as being.

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I remain at a loss as what the significant difference is between someone who is in the support group and someone in the work-related activity group. They are both unwell and/or disabled albeit in various degrees.

 

Their health could get worse depending on their circumstances. In fact, a person who is disabled would receive far more than someone fighting cancer and whose needs are not too dissimilar.

 

It is seriously inapt to treat these issues as an exact science and therefore a tick-boxing and point-scoring exercise. It is wholly wrong to treat all of those in the work-related activity group as malingerers due to a few exceptions. All these people need the appropriate support and not unfair and inhumane coercing.

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You will find that this change was pushed through by Tory MPs only. Not a single MP from another party voted in favour of this. Indeed, the House of Lords tried to block it on more than one occasion.
Shame about the last labour government then it was under their watch that ESA was introduced they started this whole persecution of the sick, then the LIB dems in the coalition, many of them voted for cuts that affected the sick and vulnerable they IMO have a track record for not caring

 

We have the cuts to Esa wrag And a short time after that the Work program will become the Health & work program , they are talking about medical staff in JCP's and being able to administer "THERAPY" Next they will be forcing the sick to work for benefits I have little doubt who was the brainchild behind this idea

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Shame about the last labour government then it was under their watch that ESA was introduced they started this whole persecution of the sick, then the LIB dems in the coalition, many of them voted for cuts that affected the sick and vulnerable they IMO have a track record for not caring

 

We have the cuts to Esa wrag And a short time after that the Work program will become the Health & work program , they are talking about medical staff in JCP's and being able to administer "THERAPY" Next they will be forcing the sick to work for benefits I have little doubt who was the brainchild behind this idea

 

I think society has an natural (or unnatural depending on how you look at it) inclination to label the sick/disabled as a burden and liability until one finds himself/herself in that position. Indeed, no person is immune from illness or prejudice.

 

The "therapy" you speak of would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

I think when the Universal Credit system is fully implemented we are all in for a devastating shock. You do not need to look far to learn how much of a shambles that has been to date.

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I think society has an natural (or unnatural depending on how you look at it) inclination to label the sick/disabled as a burden and liability until one finds himself/herself in that position. Indeed, no person is immune from illness or prejudice.

 

The "therapy" you speak of would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

I think when the Universal Credit system is fully implemented we are all in for a devastating shock. You do not need to look far to learn how much of a shambles that has been to date.

Yes and the same vile man was behind UC as well ,He has wasted more tax payers money than they have saved ,

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The following relates to many areas, but I think highlights how little society gains from these tax cuts for the immense negative impacts.

(note the figures dont include the tax avoidance by the many financial institutions in the 'City of London' which would add BILLIONS to the nations tax income if sorted.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/what-the-uk-could-look-like-if-people-actually-paid-their-tax-a6978961.html

The Tory Legacy

Record high: Taxes, Immigration, Excrement in waterways, energy company/crony profits

Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

If only the Govt had thrown a protective ring around care homes

with the same gusto they do around their crooked MPs

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The following relates to many areas, but I think highlights how little society gains from these tax cuts for the immense negative impacts.

(note the figures dont include the tax avoidance by the many financial institutions in the 'City of London' which would add BILLIONS to the nations tax income if sorted.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/what-the-uk-could-look-like-if-people-actually-paid-their-tax-a6978961.html

 

Indeed, address the wealthy tax evaders first before launching inhumane cuts on the sick and disabled.

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