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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi guys

 

I need a bit of advice here, because I'm afraid my situation has become more of an issue that I thought it would be. If I explain the whole chain of events it might be of help.

 

So,

 

In March 2013 I moved into a property on a 6 month short hold tenency. I signed the contract and my then partner was credit checked like myself as she would be spending a lot of time at the property but not living there. I had no problems with this and all was fine.

 

In the November of 2013 we were offered another property for better rent and closer to where we wanted to live, so I spoke to the landlord and explained the circumstances, he was more than understanding and we also agreed that because my finances were tight and that I was paying the rent, that using the bond as the final rent payment would not be a problem.

Well unfortunately the move fell through, there was an issue with the mortgage people, I dont know the ins and outs but the short of it was the we couldnt move in.

So, I went back to the landlord and asked him if we could stay in the property, he was happy with this and said he didnt really care aslong as the rent was paid, his only stipulations were he wanted another 6 month contract, no issue there.

 

So myself and partner went to the letting agents and as we were signing the contract it came to light that the landlord wanted us both on the tenancy, well I didnt have an issue with this nor did my partner so we signed a 6 month short hold joint tenancy.

The only question we were asked by the letting agent was, was there any rent owing? rightly we said no.

 

A few days later, I had the landlord on my case about us now having no bond, I in a round-a-bout way said what would you like me to do about it? he seemed more annoyed that the letting agents had made a mistake, it pretty much was left there and didnt come up again.

 

There were no more issues of any magnitude for a period of time now.

 

Fast forward to September 2014 I was involved in a nasty car accident, I was off work for 6 months and had to undergo a lot of doctors, neurologist checks and tests and things, I had some short term memory issues and am now medicated on beta blockers indefinately, with proper medication for diagnosed migraines.

I was off work for 6 months and because of my employers sickness policy I was as of November 2014 put on SSP. This really screwed with my income and my partner not being in work really hit us hard. However, as should be done I spoke to the Landlord about the situation and said I was going to claim Housing benefit and council tax reduction until my pay returned to normal, would he accept this?

After some umming and arring he agreed to this, his only stipulation was to make sure he was paid by the 13th of the month still, again not a problem. I would use the benefit plus the SSP to pay the rent. I organised everything with the council via phone and letter to make sure it was all done properly.

 

During this period I stayed with my parents for 2 weeks as I needed a break, well my partner had a few friends round and one of them managed to pull the shower screen from the wall by pushing it the wrong way, pulling 2 tiles off the wall with it, it was an accident and not made any easier by the fact it was actually upside down and kind of useless anyway, but it needed to be repaired nevertheless.

 

Unfortunately the accident and the financial strain we were both under now, increased the pressure in our relationship 10 fold. To the point where my partner who has ADHD snapped and things became violent, especially with alcohol involved. I cant drink and dont drink anyway, and it really ruined everything for us.

One instance in particular in early 2015 involved my partner totally trashing the house, and then being arrested for domestic violence.

She had thrown a solid glass ashtray at one of the double glazing windows that make up part of the front door and shattered it, throwing my phone at several of the walls had made marks in the plaster, 2 of the 5 doors in the house had holes put in them and the airing cupboard doors took a beating, where the living room door and spare room door had been swung with force and the door hit the frame, the doors had fractured the full vertical length, she also kicked the living room door that hard it cracked the bottom panels of the door and pushed the frame of the door forward cracking the plaster on the wall.

 

The neighbours not only called the police but also informed my landlord, who up until I told him it was just the front double glazing that was damaged wanted us out of the property.

Which to be fair to him was not in my eyes unreasonable, but after I had spoken to him and told him I would sort the repairs out, he was ok with. I didn't dare say anything else about the house, I was so embarrassed, but I made arrangements to have it all fixed straight away.

 

My partner decided that she was now done with our relationship and told me she was taking herself off the tenancy, she messaged me to say she had also messaged the landlord to get him to take her off the tenancy and he had said ok no problem.

This was a relief as now I could just focus on getting all the repairs done, I had all the holes in the walls and doors filled and sanded, I invested in a tile cutter and had the times re-grouted to the wall, minus the shower screen, it wasnt damaged just needed 4 screws into the tile and plaster to put it back up the right way round.

 

Over the next couple of months myself and partner tried to reconcile with each other, it didnt really work out and we spilt yet again, this time she decided it was time to move all her stuff out of the house, I somehow managed to short the landlord by £250 in all the commotion, it was a pure accident, I admitted the mistake and said I would square it up with him, this moves us upto the 10th of June 2015.

The financial strain on me at this point was unbearable I couldn't afford to live, so after speaking to my mother and father we all decided enough was enough and just pack my job in, cancel the benefits and get out.

 

I messaged the landlord on the 11th of july, two days before the rent was due and bascially explained that my situation was untennable and I was giving notice that I would be out of the property by the 13th of July. I woulld also have the final months rent and the outstanding £250 squared up with him by this date, his reply was 'ok'

After handing in my notice at work, they allowed me to leave a week earlier than planned so instead of finishing on the 3rd of July I actually finished on the 26th of June, so I spent the week cleaning the house top to bottom, I cleaned the ceilings, floors, sideboards, carpets, walls, mopped everything the works. I wanted the house to look as good as it did before I moved in, I wouldnt leave any propety in a mess, it is just pointless.

 

I not only packed my stuff, but my partner had left a lot and I mean a lot of items in the house, cupboards, chests of drawers, countless numbers of bags full of clothes, so I packed these also. Obviously splitting it all.

I made her aware of my intentions to be moved out by the 13th but she didnt have the space straight away to move everything so I agreed that she could come and sort everything out, find somewhere to put it all and have it out by the 13th. She also was able to sell some of the bigger items like the fridge and washing machine, and give other things like a desk and such to family members.

 

A chance phonecall off my father meant rather than me try to arrange a removal company, he would come and pick me up on the 4th of July and we would get all my stuff out of the house.

I informed my partner of this, and after some heated exchanges she agreed to come and get everything else out.

 

Things quickly deteriorated here and rather than come and sort out her stuff, she did other things. So come the morning of the 4th July my mother and father arrived in the morning, we packed and left.

All that remained for my partner was to collect her belongings and post the spare key. I would pay the landlord the rent plus the outstanding arreas and we would be done and dusted.

 

Well things never being that easy, my partner decided that the house wasn't upto scratch to move out, even though I had my parents look at the job I had done and they said it was over and above what would have been expected, they rent out property too.

So she took it upon herself to further clean the property, I kept saying to her just take your stuff as your not a tenant and post the keys. Well she was adamant I hadnt done as good a job as I thought and sent me regular pictures over the next few days of each of the rooms, all I can say was each room was spotless, top to bottom. Not neccessary for her to do anymore, but she did and there we were.

As for handing the keys back she just kept saying she had until the 13th to get all her stuff out and she would organise having the keys sorted, she had the spare key.

 

Coming to yesterday now, I was out with some friends and missed a call from the landlord and a message asking if I could meet him this week sometime, I was unable to reply as I had no phone service.

Today however, he went to the property, and my partner who was just finishing off leaving answered the door. Apprently the landlord had been ringing me constantly for 2 days, I only recieved the one call. And my partner gave the landlord the address of where I had moved too, and both my mother and fathers phone numbers.

He then in her words, went on about taking her to court for unpaid rent and such and that she was still on the tenancy, that weas news to me and she had told me she wasnt, why wouldnt I believe her, infact I was glad of it when she told me she had taken herself off.

He then must have tried to call my parents several times, who both had no clue who's number was calling them, my dad didnt answer, but the landlord left a message without even introducing who he was, voicemail merely said, ' I am looking for a guy named Stevo7790, can you ring this number'.

Imagine my delight at having to be quizzed by my parents as to why some bloke had rang their personal phones asking for me.

 

Speaking more to my partner who I am either assuming was exaggerating the conversation with the landlord or he was doing it himself, claimed he had constantly rang my parents with no answer. Well they would, they didnt know the number or who he was.

 

This morning before any of this, I paid an initial payment of £650 to the lanrdlord, I will have to pay the outstanding £150 by the 13th of July and I have no issues with this, because as per my communcation with him, I had said I would have everything paid by that date, which he agreed to.

I have messaged him this evening to reassure him I have not done a runner or anything, I owe the money, I stayed there, I will pay it.

 

This brings me to some questions and I need some help and advice here please:

 

Because there is no bond, does this cause any issues? Now if there is any costs for anything that he determines as damage I will happily pay for them, but I didnt have an inventory when I first moved in either, so thats going to complicate things isnt it? Plus aside from the shower screen, which isnt damaged and I had the tiles repaired and replaced would just need fitting, so yes I will pay for the work to be done.

 

Because my partner was either dishonest or the landlord lax, and she is still a tenant, does that mean that the landlord will go for her and not me for any other costs because I vacated and was still there? To be honest I'd rather just have it all over and done with.

 

My parents arent pleased the landlord called them, is this something he is entitled to do?

 

The landlord came to the propertly because allegedly he and persistently tried to get hold of me for 2 days, and that I wasnt answering his calls or messages, Well the reality is I had one missed call and a message I was unable to reply to, is just turning up at my doorstep without prior arrangement something he can do?

 

Finally, have I done anything wrong in moving out when I did, before the 13th of July, even though I indicated this? There was no mention of an ad-hoc get together with the landlord before I left and I didnt expect one. The property is in lovely condition and personally I'd move in if I saw it. For all the landlord could know I might have been on holiday until the sunday, or any number of things, I had given the right period of noticed and advised the landlord in a way he deemed acceptable so I have shot myself in the foot in anyway? And ofcourse, either way I would have paid the final rent and outstanding arreas.

 

The only reason I did it like this, was because in a previous property I did exactley the same thing where I left a little early, emptied the property, cleaned then on the due date paid the final rent and posted the keys, there was no issue there.

 

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated

 

Thanks

 

Steve

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That's a lo o o ong tale of woe, Steve.

I assume you meant you gave LL due Notice on 11 June, not 11 July as typed?

In which case, your T ends on 12 July (day before next rent due date) and you remain liable for rent & property until then. It will also end your ex's joint T.

LL can pursue either of you for damage etc, but prob you as he has a new address for you, courtesy of ex.

I would suggest you return to property on the 12th to check your ex has vacated property, removed all her contents and left property in the clean & tidy condition it was when you moved out. (No subsequent damage).

It was a good thing ex did not remove herself from T, as she is still joint & severally liable. The lack of move in inventory is good for both you as LL will be unlikely to prove any T damage caused.

 

 

IMO LL did nothing wrong in ringing your parents as your ex gave him an alt contact number for you. He was quite correct by not explaining who he was & why he wanted to speak to you (DPA?) to an unknown answer machine.

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sorry, but I am struggling to know what your question is? you ask several things about a deposit (no the LL doesnt have to ask for one) notice period (LL has waived rest of tenancy) suing ex gf (as you are jointly responsible LL can sue her or you or both) can LL contact your parents (yes, you gave LL the details, what else is he supposed to do)

If you know how much you owe and have made an arrangement to pay then stick to it, your LL has been very understanding so far so if he wants to claim money from ex-gf for her occupying the property after the agreed leaving date I would be keeping my nose out of that.

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