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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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according to their site its just the url link that shld be linked, not a link with search terms in the header/link etc

eg http://www.bailii.org/bailii/help/linking.html

i followed that in the prev thread, but it still kept breaking.

 

testing the url as per their instructs link again

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2015/1252.html

 

and testing another random

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2015/159.html

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yep, links not working via cag. they work if pasted into a browser.

 

can delete my posts, was just for ref. :)

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The CAG software automatically changes the 'A' in the word admin to a lower case 'a'. That is all the problem is.

 

On all the apparently broken links you just need to change the 'a' to an 'A' in the word 'admin' in the address bar.

 

EDIT: Just changed the a and the A round in my post above as it was wrong the first time round.

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The CAG software automatically changes the 'a' in the word admin to a capital 'A'. That is all the problem is.

 

On all the apparently broken links you just need to change the 'A' to an 'a' in the word 'admin' in the address bar.

 

baillii uses a capital A in their url to be linked! and is A in the address bar that works, and using a in the address bar doesnt work.

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The CAG software automatically changes the 'A' in the word admin to a lower case 'a'. That is all the problem is.

 

On all the apparently broken links you just need to change the 'a' to an 'A' in the word 'admin' in the address bar.

 

EDIT: Just changed the a and the A round in my post above as it was wrong the first time round.

 

ah, i see what mean now re yr edit (the link links with an a (when hovering on it, or clicking on it) rather than A even though the posted link is with an A)smile.png

something for CAGlink31.gif to address?

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Well done to the reverend,does this not also open a can of worms re costs in no tv license and dvla etc

 

YES!!!!!

 

The following is taken from a post that I made on the other thread regarding the Reverend's case:

 

'Behind the scenes' I am making representations regarding the level of 'reasonable costs' that Magistrates Court clerks are allowing to Capita (in respect of summonses for TV Licence evasions) and to DVLA for vehicle related offences.

 

In the case of TV Licensing, my argument is that with the introduction of the 'single justice' there will be no requirement for a Capita Court Presenter to attend court and accordingly, I struggle to see how the court can allow them to charge £120 'costs' .

 

If the Reverend's case forces Magistrates Courts to examine requests for 'costs' then this must surely apply 'across the board'.

 

In readiness for challenging the costs for TV Licensing I just so happen to have received some very interesting documentation from the BBC in response to an FOI request !!!

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"In readiness for challenging the costs for TV Licensing I just so happen to have received some very interesting documentation from the BBC in response to an FOI request !"

 

Doesn't TVL aka Capita take a bloc session at the court as councils do with Council Tax If so how can they justify their costs?

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"In readiness for challenging the costs for TV Licensing I just so happen to have received some very interesting documentation from the BBC in response to an FOI request !"

 

Doesn't TVL aka Capita take a bloc session at the court as councils do with Council Tax If so how can they justify their costs?

 

Yes, TV Licence cases are held in bloc sessions and yet, the Magistrate Court allow identical costs of £120 in each case. In the Reverend's Judicial Review the Magistrate's have been severally taken to task and I would hope that they would be willing to take a serious look at these fees.

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....Auditors will be going in apparently to work out the actual costs involved and it may be if those auditors wish to retain that Council as a future customer that they may have to arrive at a figure not unadjacent to the £125. I hope I am being unduly pessimistic on this but certainly no claim against Haringay could be countenanced until they have an acceptable figure-acceptable to the Council and the Magistrates Court in Tottenham who this time might challenge the figure proposed should it not be in line with other Councils in the area. They [Tottenham Mags] should be as embarrassed as Haringay Council over this case....

 

Interestingly KPMG (Auditor) distanced itself from endorsing the summons costs of its customer NELC. Paragraphs 82 to 94

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Interestingly KPMG (Auditor) distanced itself from endorsing the summons costs of its customer NELC. Paragraphs 82 to 94

 

They thought they were as curved as a set of EU accounts then. The whole issue of summons costs is that it impacts unfairly on the can't pays who are driven further into debt by an unaffordable bill and ludicrous costs, then kicked in the nuts with bailiff fees later on

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Yes, TV Licence cases are held in bloc sessions and yet, the Magistrate Court allow identical costs of £120 in each case. In the Reverend's Judicial Review the Magistrate's have been severally taken to task and I would hope that they would be willing to take a serious look at these fees.

 

A shocking fact that came out on a Magistrate's Blog, is that of course, most people summonsed for TV Licence evasion don't even attend Court. Under the rules, unless the Defendant is there to tell them different, they must "assume" the Defendant is earning £400 a week and thus must set the fine based on an income of £400 weekly, and not the likely reality of £73 Jobseekers Allowance etc. so a much unfairer fine is then set.

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Interestingly KPMG (Auditor) distanced itself from endorsing the summons costs of its customer NELC. Paragraphs 82 to 94

 

Your complaint against North East Lincs is well know and in fact in the Reverend's case, he too approached the auditor before applying for a Judicial Review and his request was also rejected.

 

As I have explained, given the current judgment the auditor in the case of the Reverend would find it very difficult to now oppose an inspection.

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PS: Local authorities and Magistrate Courts are fully aware of this judgment and my personal view is that any new government will quickly bring new legislation into place similar to that already in place in Wales capping the 'costs' at £70.

 

Well the new government have replaced Eric Pickles. We now have Greg Clark as the new Secretary of State at the Department of Communities and Local Government.

 

PS: The councils will be jumping for joy.

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Birmingham City Council must have recently hiked its summons costs from £65 to £80.

 

8 January 2015

 

By law, the council has to pay the courts £3 per application. The remaining £62 is to cover:

 

Telephone call handling £10

IT overheads £12

Postage £1

Printing £4

Staffing £29

Correspondence handling £4

Legal advice £1

Accommodation £1

These are our best estimates of the proportion of our total costs under each heading that relate to actions taken in relation to or as a result of the issue of a summons.

 

These costs will have increased since then, but our costs figure has remained unchanged.

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telephone calllink3.gif handling £10

IT overheads £12

Postage £1

Printing £4

Staffing £29

Correspondence handling £4

Legal advice £1

Accommodation £1

 

Their legal advice is pretty reasonably priced out !!

 

But what is the "accommodation" they are charging for ?

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Their legal advice is pretty reasonably priced out !!

 

But what is the "accommodation" they are charging for ?

 

On an individual basis £1 per case in respect of Legal Advice might appear reasonably priced (not that there is likely to be any).

 

However, these applications are made in bulk and it appears that Birmingham City Council served 94,672 summonses in 2013/14. The council has admitted to accounting for £1 for each summons in respect of this advice so it has in fact misinformed the Magistrates' court that it has incurred £94,672 for the 2013/14 financial year.

 

Accommodation will most likely be the cost of providing office space.

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I hope that councils will now have to refund monies obtained in this way. The banks etc. have had to regarding PPI etc. and I don't see why the councils should be any different . Much respect to Reverend Paul Nicolson!

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I hope that councils will now have to refund monies obtained in this way. The banks etc. have had to regarding PPI etc. and I don't see why the councils should be any different . Much respect to Reverend Paul Nicolson!

 

I asked this very question earlier in the thread somewhere. I think the answer was it wouldn't be another ppi, but people are able to pursue their own council on an individual basis. Check back through the thread and you'll find exactly what the response was.

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Whereas we may all be pleased about the outcome for Rev Nicholson we should be careful what we ask for. I can see some Councils looking at the nitty gritty and wouldn't be at all surprised if some come up with more expensive options.

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Whereas we may all be pleased about the outcome for Rev Nicholson we should be careful what we ask for. I can see some Councils looking at the nitty gritty and wouldn't be at all surprised if some come up with more expensive options.

 

Yes! You have to factor in the vindictive nature of these people who use their public role to indulge in their own personal perverse gratification.

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Following the Reverend's Judicial Review the current situation is that the District Auditor will examine the amount charged to tax payers in Haringay. It is my understanding that the eventual findings will not apply to any other local authority as their overheads etc will vary.

 

Clearly the Magistrate's Courts will now have a far greater responsibility to request a breakdown from each local authority. They are after all responsible for allowing the local authority to apply the costs.

 

From information that I have been given it would seem that following the court decision all local authorities are now undertaking the task of properly calculating the true cost and I would assume that in some cases, the amount may well increase (this is more likely to apply to London authorities).

 

It is hoped that the government will quickly introduce a cap which is already the case in Wales.

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The Reverend's judgment should have the effect of putting pressure on Magistrates' Courts to scrutinise the breakdowns and ensure that the costs are limited to the proper expenditure in obtaining a liability order/summons issue and not as they have included up until now the entire costs of recovery.

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The Reverend's judgment should have the effect of putting pressure on Magistrates' Courts to scrutinise the breakdowns and ensure that the costs are limited to the proper expenditure in obtaining a liability order/summons issue and not as they have included up until now the entire costs of recovery.

 

Indeed - I hope you're right. I hope his case inspires others to challenge where they feel things are not right as well. I think we've had enough of unfair charges.

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