Informing DWP of changes - when?

[Nystagmite]

It is not payable if someone else is receiving Carers' Allowance on their behalf, and there can't be another person in the household who could care for them.

 

They can live with another person and receive SDP if the other person is registered blind, receives AA or mid or high rate DLA.

 

Thanks guys.

[antone]

They can live with another person and receive SDP if the other person is registered blind, receives AA or mid or high rate DLA.

 

Thanks guys.

 

Indeed, thanks for clarifying.

[Nystagmite]

Not sure what to do. Will speak to GP on Thursday.

 

Currently on the work programme. This year has been hell in terms of wp and health. Diagnosed with Autism a few weeks ago and have had some side effects from ear syringing. I want to work; but wp provider is making my life hell. I am also waiting to find out whether I have a(nother) sensory problem.

 

Curently struggling due to the heat; which brings on migraine.

 

In theory, I should get into the support group on bais of sight loss alone - very much doubt it though.

 

I ned to work. Bored and frustrated with lack of job. But, have had nothing but problems regarding wp. I admit that I do ned help with job hunting; but forcing me on a course to 'improve my confidence' isn't what I'm after.

 

Been told I must get a job and can't live on benfits; but mum is happy for brother to do the same.

 

Apologises for typos and if it doesn,t make sense. Not well due to heat and am away and on a tablet.

[down'n'out]

Currently on the work programme.

 

Is that while on JSA or on (ESA) WRAG?

[RaeUK]

I am fairly certain Nystagmite is on JSA...

 

Best wishes, Nystagmite, hope you feel a bit better soon. Fully understand the boredom thing and desperately wanting to work. You should be on ESA m'dear but, by the sounds of it, they're closing the gap between that and JSA! x

[Astro1]

If you've already passed ESA, stick with it, there's no need to make another rod for your own back. Someone's already mentioned on the forum about permitted work while on ESA and i'd think you could still go into the job centre and ask about work. From what i've read on here about the ESA Wrag and my experience on Jobseekers, my own view is that you'd be better off on ESA, although it may be the same people you see and the same work programme you go on.

[Nystagmite]

On jsa at the moment. Was better when it was just me and my jsa adviser.

[down'n'out]

IMHO, you would be better to apply for ESA.

While on JSA, they will not consider any medical problems, as you are classed as fit for work. As you have recently been diagnosed with a new health issue, then at least a new ESA application will be looked at in a different light.

It would also give you some breathing space.

[Slatted]

I would recommend the Benefits and Work website for information on how to approach benefit claims as I now know the criteria for ESA and WRAG versus Support Group and what changes happened recently.

 

I personally think that if we knew there were flexible jobs to do then it would meet the needs of a lot of us sick. I know legislation is meant to "encourage" employers but the expense and inconvenience will always play a part.

 

I think the truth is most would like to do something constructive with their time, when they are able, but are limited by what is available in the work market for people not able to put in the hours at set times and days.

[MIKEY DABODEE]

Hope you feel better soon Nystagmite, maybe ESA and permitted work would be best.

Have you thought of working for CAB on some level, you have a wealth of knowledge of most benefits

[Nystagmite]

Thank you Mikey.

 

I'll speak to my GP on Thursday and see what he says.

[Slatted]

CAB is mainly volunteers so at least it would be work experience and they should be more flexible....I bet they need people to help with all the new ESA appeals Lol!

[Nystagmite]

GP doesn't think it's legal...

 

I am disabled and right now, am also ill. I am unable to fully meet my job seekers allowance agreement regularly, due to my disabilities. I am also struggling to take part in the work programme due to how inaccessible it is for me as a disabled person.

 

I want to work and I can if the conditions are right. My needs aren't impossible to meet. (they were fully met when I worked at MDEC in December 2010) I have possibly been offered a similar job. I am waiting to hear back whether there is something there for me.

 

It has been suggested that I sign off sick. GP is willing to do this. But she's not sure whether she can do this and I look for work in my own time.

 

If it did get to the stage where I had the dreaded ESA50 forms, etc. then I do meet the criteria for the support group.

 

I want to work and need to. But I can't manage with the demands and ignorance from the work programme. I would love to just go back to the job centre and just see an adviser there every 2 weeks. I was never called a liar regarding my disabilities and for the most part, my needs were met when required.

[RaeUK]

To be fair, Nystagmite, I've read many of your posts. And I've always wondered why you put yourself through the things you do when you should be in the support group. The support group doesn't mean you can never work again. It just means you can't work in the way it is understood by mainstream society and you would need a particular set of circumstances in order to achieve your hope of working. That is why the Permitted Work Scheme is available to those in the support group and why you can still volunteer for some form or work related activities with no come back or pressure.

I understand completely what you mean by working 'if the circumstances were right' as I think I'm in the same boat, albeit for different reasons.

There is nothing wrong with your GP signing you off for work in the interim period. Even if you are still contemplating and scheming about what work you can do. That's were I am at the moment. Unfit for work, in the sense that it applies to you and I, means unfit for work in the conventional sense...

[antone]

I can't see a problem with this. Remember that the criterion for ESA is "limited capability for work", not "completely unable to work at all". Since your GP is prepared to certify this you should be fine to make an ESA claim. It's perfectly OK to look for work while you're in the assessment phase, WRAG or SG. Indeed, it's encouraged where possible. As Rae mentioned, the Permitted Work scheme could be of use to you if a job seems to suit you but you aren't 100% sure your needs can be met.

[Slatted]

To be honest I had always just assumed that like many that I seem to have come across on forums, you have not been able to get through the right hoops for ESA let alone Support and had just given up going around the roundabout...sorry to bring that up Rae!!

 

Why make things harder than they have to be on you?

 

I thought the Support Group did not have to be seen as permanent just where the onus on getting back into work is not the focus so no need for WFI let alone anything else!!

 

There may be WCA etc but if you believe you meet the criteria then go for it!! Why put yourself through things you do not need to...you can still look for work and it strikes me that you are probably more likely to find something, and begin to feel better, if not having to deal with all the c...p you have been.

 

If later you are able to find work that recognises your value and meets your needs then even better.

[Nystagmite]

Thanks guys

[Guest amianne]

To be honest I had always just assumed that like many that I seem to have come across on forums, you have not been able to get through the right hoops for ESA let alone Support and had just given up going around the roundabout...sorry to bring that up Rae!!

 

Why make things harder than they have to be on you?

 

I thought the Support Group did not have to be seen as permanent just where the onus on getting back into work is not the focus so no need for WFI let alone anything else!!

 

There may be WCA etc but if you believe you meet the criteria then go for it!! Why put yourself through things you do not need to...you can still look for work and it strikes me that you are probably more likely to find something, and begin to feel better, if not having to deal with all the c...p you have been.

 

If later you are able to find work that recognises your value and meets your needs then even better.

 

There was a similar question asked recently at home and someone gave the exact same answer - Why make things harder than they have to be on you?

 

I do wonder why people do things the hard way - when there are alternatives. Is it human nature? I believe it has something to do with having to prove something to yourself and society at large.

 

To be honest I am shocked when I hear about people aged over 60 (male or female) who continue to claim Income Based JSA & ESA.

 

Putting themselves through everything that these benefits throw at you.

 

It is no wonder that there is such a low take up of Pension Credit in this country when no one in authority points out that they could have a much easier life than staying on JSA or ESA.

 

Maybe the government see Pension Credit in these circumstances as the 'soft option' and don't want to encourage people to do nothing for their money!

[sadone]

You're at it again aren't you. Don't make sweeping generalizations hon, please. If you want to talk crap start your sentence with 'in my opinion' that way it's less irritating to others.

[Tiger Lily]

There was a similar question asked recently at home and someone gave the exact same answer - Why make things harder than they have to be on you?

 

I do wonder why people do things the hard way - when there are alternatives. Is it human nature? I believe it has something to do with having to prove something to yourself and society at large.

 

To be honest I am shocked when I hear about people aged over 60 (male or female) who continue to claim Income Based JSA & ESA.

 

Putting themselves through everything that these benefits throw at you.

 

It is no wonder that there is such a low take up of Pension Credit in this country when no one in authority points out that they could have a much easier life than staying on JSA or ESA.

 

Maybe the government see Pension Credit in these circumstances as the 'soft option' and don't want to encourage people to do nothing for their money!

 

These people over 60 at present on ESA or JSA IB, not possible, they have to go over to retirement pension/pension credits when they reach the correct age, at present just past the sixtieth birthday.

This happens four times a year, so they will go over on of the specified given dates nearest their birthdy. Some have gone this week

 

I feel you are an insider with a bit of benefit training, stirring it up on here for some obscure reason.

And your friends, are they customers, because that is not good if they are.

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[Slatted]

There was a similar question asked recently at home and someone gave the exact same answer - Why make things harder than they have to be on you?

 

I do wonder why people do things the hard way - when there are alternatives. Is it human nature? I believe it has something to do with having to prove something to yourself and society at large.

 

To be honest I am shocked when I hear about people aged over 60 (male or female) who continue to claim Income Based JSA & ESA.

 

Putting themselves through everything that these benefits throw at you.

 

It is no wonder that there is such a low take up of Pension Credit in this country when no one in authority points out that they could have a much easier life than staying on JSA or ESA.

 

Maybe the government see Pension Credit in these circumstances as the 'soft option' and don't want to encourage people to do nothing for their money!

 

And exactly what did any of your diatribe have to do with the thread in question? Nystagmite is claiming JSA but it sounds as if should have been in ESA Support Group!!! Where did all that Pension stuff come from? How was it relevant to the situation being discussed?

[Nystagmite]

I am nowhere near pension age. No idea how amianne's post is relevant to me at all? it's nothing to do with the money. I was simply asking whether what I described in my OP is allowed.

[antone]

Yeah, guys, can we keep it civil and relevant please? I'm trying to watch the football.

[Nystagmite]

lol!

 

A few more questions:

 

1) Am I still required to attend the work programme whilst signed off sick?

 

2) Can I still volunteer whilst in the assessment phase?

[Guest amianne]

These people over 60 at present on ESA or JSA IB, not possible, they have to go over to retirement pension/pension credits when they reach the correct age, at present just past the sixtieth birthday.

This happens four times a year, so they will go over on of the specified given dates nearest their birthdy. Some have gone this week

 

I feel you are an insider with a bit of benefit training, stirring it up on here for some obscure reason.

And your friends, are they customers, because that is not good if they are.

 

'they have to go over to retirement pension/pension credits' is not what happens. No one HAS to go over to Pension Credit. Of the times that I hav ebeen made aware of, nothing is said by the DWP. It is only if the claimant is aware that they can and ask about it.

 

There are many men that continue to claim Income Based ESA & JSA until they are 65 and have to come off it! Off the top of my head there is something like 2.3 million claimants that could claim Pension credit but don't.

 

I won't bother to answer your last comment as there is absolutely no truth in it. As for the friends/relatives - yes they are just that!

 

Why don't you Google the number that don't take up Pension Credit when they can do?

 

 

 

Yes you are quite correct, the date is the revised retirement age for women.