CEL/coop speculative invoice. CLAIMFORM - HELP REQUIRED **Dis-continued**

[angers]

well they seemed to have charged

 

 

for the initial claim 165,

plus 140 for legal cost

(witness statement, general handling and the hearing fee),

plus 190 for

(which they said was mentioned in the cost schedule ???)

presentation, attendance and travel.

 

 

Total of 495

[ericsbrother]

They wont impress a judge by claiming more than is written on their form, other than travel to court costs.

 

 

Claiming for presentation???

what next, £500 for new clothes to dress up in whilst there or they will go naked?

 

They will still get blown out of the water by the very fact they sold the debt on

so their claim is actually a criminal attempt to gain money by deception.

 

 

Make this very clear to the court that CEL are doing this by sending a letter to the court

and ask that their claim be struck out and reported as an abuse of process.

 

 

Include copy of the debt assignment letter as evidence of this abuse

and ask them to forward your complaint of criminal intent to the relevant persons.

[angers]

I just need to be clear, The letter I got from them was with their defence statement as this was meant to go to court next week, but I got an adjournment.

 

 

It outlines the costs above , but if I pay within 7days, I just have to pay the £165. Is this an abuse of the system, them trying to persuade me to pay the lesser cost??

 

 

Also, I am more than Slightly concerned that CEL have paid their £25 fee, but with many others that haven't paid...... why are they pursuing mine???

Edited October 18, 2014 by angers

[angers]

Keep going after challenging and submitting my full defence I received a letter from the court stating they haven't paid the £25 court fee and if they don't within another 7 days it is struck out and I can go for them for costs - keep tabs on all the time and expenses your defence takes

 

 

 

just a quick one...... Did you challenge under 31.14, 31.15 and 31.16?

[ericsbrother]

They are pursuing you becasue they think you are an easier target.

 

They cannot add any further costs to their claim and they know it, that is why they are offering to settle for a lower amount,

 

 

they know that the judge will throw the claim for the higher amount out with contempt

and may order that all costs be struck out so the best they could then hope for would be £16 (their share of the alleged debt).

 

Get another complaint into court about the abuse of process and copy this latest letter in.

 

I am assuming you have already sent the court the other complaint about abuse of process and fraud. If not, why not?

[angers]

I've sent nothing to the court, I just thought I had to do a defence bundle and pitch up .... Is this something ill find on pranksters website? I'm becoming muddled!

[ericsbrother]

get your complaints in and pronto and

 

 

you might not have to attend.

 

 

you also have to send copies of your defence bundle to CEL and to court,

 

 

normally a fortnight ahead of hearing date.

 

 

Fail to do this and you will lose, regardless of how dodgy and crooked their claim is.

 

It was explained in an earlier post,

 

 

likewaise about demanding sight of documents that you or CEL wish to rely upon

 

 

so demand copy of contract between CEL and landowner.

 

 

Check if that is co-op and if it isnt you write to court and say that CEL have no locus standi and ask for a strike out for that reason.

 

now get those letters off in the post and phone the court tomorrow for the N number for the form that pleads for a srtike out on the grounds mentioned.

 

 

They may accept just a letter.

 

 

If so, copy that to CEL as well so if you do have to go to the hearing you can raise it as the first thing.

[angers]

Well...

 

 

.I've just received a letter from CEL stating they are withdrawing their claim against me..

 

 

.apparently due to my evidence they don't wish to pursue...

 

 

... Strange as I've submitted nothing since the skeleton defence! X

[DragonFly1967]

Well....I've just received a letter from CEL stating they are withdrawing

their claim against me...apparently due to my evidence they don't wish to pursue...... Strange as I've submitted nothing since the skeleton defence! X

 

Result

 

Sometimes, they realise that they've got such a weak argument that the mere fact that you're prepared to defend it at all is enough to put them off. They of course thrive on those that cave in at the first hurdle, or those that are scared off by court papers. And either don't defend, so that they win a default judgement or pay up.

 

Well done for standing your ground.

[citizenB]

Check with the court that they have advised the court of the discontinuance.

[ericsbrother]

The skeleton will be eonough, they dont want to go to prison for perjury and fraud.

Whack in a claim for your expenses to Mr Willem de Beer at their business address and to the court. I hope you sent off the complaints I listed earlier so when you send them copy of this claim you can add a further one of abuse of process-using the courts to coerce or intimidate rather than to process a claim for monies due.

[ericsbrother]

You can also ask the court to not accept the discontinuance and then get the opportunity to show that they are a bunch of fraudsters.