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The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of the issue of these proceedings in the sum of £49.15 The Claimant claims the sum of £972 What is the total value of the claim? £1112 Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? I dont know the details of the PAPDC to know if it was pursuant to paragraph 3, but I did receive a Letter of Claim with a questionaire/form to fill. Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? no Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Assigned/purchaser Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? I was aware, I'm not certain I received a 'Notice of Assignment' from Capital One but may have been informed the account had been sold without such a title on the letter? Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Yes Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Not since the debt purchase, and not from Capital One. Why did you cease payments? I can't remember - it was the tail end of the pandemic and I may not have had enough income to keep up payments - I am self-employed and work in the event industry - at that time. I also had a bank account that didn't allow direct debits and may have just forgotten payments and became annoyed at fines for late payments. What was the date of your last payment? Appears to be 20/4/2022 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No Here is my Defence: Defence - 1. The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had an agreement with Capital One but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification by way of a CPR 31.14 and section 78 request.. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. I am unaware of having been served with a Default Notice pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. I am unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment pursuant to the Law and Property Act 1925 Section 136(1) 5. The Defendant has sent a request by way of a section 78 pursuant to the Consumer Credit Act 1974, for a copy of the agreement, the Claimant has yet to comply and remains in default of said request. 6. A further request has been made via CPR 31.14 to the Claimants solicitor, requesting disclosure of documents on which the Claimant is basing their claim. The Claimant has not complied and to date nothing has been received. 7. It is therefore not accepted with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant and the Claimant is put to strict proof to: a) show how the Defendant has entered into an agreement and; b) show how the Claimant has reached the amount claimed for and; c) show the nature of the breach and evidence by way of a Default Notice pursuant to sec 88 CCA1974 d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim 8. As per Civil Procedure 16.5 it is expected that the claimants prove the allegation that the money is owed 9. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of section 136 of the Law of Property Act and section 82A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief. .................. Please note that I had to write a defence quite quickly as I hit the deadline. At the time of writing the defence, I hadn't been able to find correspondence from Capital One, but had since found default letter etc. I submitted CCA request and CPR 31.14. However, I didn't get any proof of postage or use registered post for the CPR (an oversight) but did with the CCA request. I received a pack which included a letter from Overdales, going over the defence I'd filed, as well as letters of Lowells and reprints of letters from Capital One. But I have no idea if this pack is in response to the CCA request or the CPR ! I would have expected two separate responses ... although I do know they are both the same company. Looking over the pack today, and looking through old emails .. I find some discrepancies in the Capital One default letters (notice of default and Claim of default). They are both dated *before* an email I have stating that a default can be avoided. The one single page of agreement sent (so not the full agreement) has a 16 digit number at the top in small print, next to 'Capital One' which corresponds to a number called 'PURN' printed at the top of each of the 10 pages of ins and outs of the account (they're not official statements, but a list of monthly goings) yet no mention anywhere on either of the account number. I cant really scan them at the moment - I can later tomorrow, but that will be after the mediation call I'm sure. I guess I may be on my own for this mediation ... I am not certain the CCA request has been satisfied .. or if the CPR has been . And then I appear to have evidence that the Default notices provided are fabricated ? Yet, I do have (elsewhere ... not at home) Default letters from Capital One I can check ..
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So until this became an issue for you, you didn't notice these kinds of cases. No doubt others will be the same.

 

 

If it happens you'll have no choice but to deal with it, but no point worrying about something that

 

 

1. May never happen.

2. Is outside your control.

 

 

I'm a great believer in not worrying about things you can't do anything about.

 

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As Caro is spot on with the above...

 

As hard as it is, do try, to not worry & fret yourself into a state, as you need to stay strong, as you do not know as yet which way this will go.

 

You can't undo what's happened sadly, but in time to come, hopefully this will be resolved shortly & you will be able to move onwards from it!

 

Good luck!

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I am worried about your psychological well being here.

 

Whatever happens, I would hope that your family and friends care more that you are alive and well than having made a mistake and done something "Stupid"

 

You might find it helpful to talk to your GP and discuss how the case is making you feel. Having someone to talk to who will be impartial and non judgmental may help you get through this.

 

Just remember, You have admitted to making a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. What defines a person is how they deal with their mistakes. And it is not always easy. Look to it as a challenge to overcome.

 

Also if the worst happened and ther was publicity. Take the power out of their words. If you are open and honest about your mistakes and as it appears here genuinly remorsefulthen those words are powerless!

 

Please get some medical advice as well as the legal. With any luck you can fix things and come out of this in a better position.

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Yes. I am sure your friends & family would rather help you weather the storm than you do something stupid or even know that you faced this alone.

Please tell the interviewer what you have said about how you feel. It won't stop them taking action but it's important they know.

There are people who can help- if you have savings it may well be worth investing a bit if them in legal rep. Solicitors can and do make representations to councils in clients behalf and what they say is often taken into account when making decisions. A solicitor will know if it's worth you submitting medical reports etc.

 

Anyone who claims they have never done anything stupid that they regret in their lives is a liar. Yes you have made a mistake but you can do something to make it better.

 

Chin up, deep breath & ring that solicitor x

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Thank you all for your kind words.

I just wrote an essay and then deleted it because I fear giving too much information. I really do appreciate your time and advice.

Still got time yet so weighing up my options, pros cons etc.

 

Thanks everyone

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Thank you all for your kind words.

I just wrote an essay and then deleted it because I fear giving too much information. I really do appreciate your time and advice.

Still got time yet so weighing up my options, pros cons etc.

 

Thanks everyone

 

The pro's and cons of....? If it is taking your own life please get help. see your GP, phone the samaritans or contact the emergency mental health team in your area.

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Thank you all for your kind words.

I just wrote an essay and then deleted it because I fear giving too much information. I really do appreciate your time and advice.

Still got time yet so weighing up my options, pros cons etc.

 

Thanks everyone

 

Fludro,

You were 9/10ths of the way there....... Come on let us help you. ....

You've made the "Biggest" step by posting this thread.

 

You will have to trust me on this one; But 4 and a bit years ago I could hardly face the next day. ....

 

Now I can't believe what I was thinking.

 

I'm with all the above advice. ... Let us help... Please !

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I'm not very hopeful about how this will all turn out, councils are only interested in getting a result. This is what I see for my future:

 

Court case, fraud conviction, possible prison, criminal record. every one knowing my business, no money left plus debt, probably lose job, probably lose rented accommodation (when landlord finds out).

And after all that crap settles down I’m still middle aged with a chronic disease.

 

 

 

I could probably just take what’s coming after all I should have expected it really. I don’t actually care about money they can take everything I have, I read even if you pay back everything they still take you to court to set an example of you. It’s the process and the drama of it all. I’m exhausted just thinking about it. I just want them to send me a bill and then I can move on.

 

How long does the whole process take from start to finish on average?

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I'm not going to lie to you & give you false hope.

Firstly, yes paying it back won't stop them taking you to court. However it is taken into account by magistrates when sentencing. First offence - you won't get a prison sentence. Trust me on that

You might not be prosecuted. It being a first offence you might get a conditional discharge. The case may not interest the press and then if won't get reported.

If you get a conditional discharge it becomes spent very quickly.

Your landlord can't evict you because you got prosecuted.

 

You need a solicitor. You really do

 

 

The process time varies from area to area. Our local courts are backed up so that causes delays. As a ball park I'd say it takes 4-6 months.

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Thanks for the information, yes first offence, never even had a parking ticket.

I wonder if I really would need a solicitor as I don't need anyone to defend me, I will just tell it how it is and take what comes.

I could pay it all back today but it wont stop anything so I should probably just donate it all to you good folks where at least some good will come from it.

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Well consider if you need one if you make it to summons stage.

 

Have a think what you want to say at the IUC- write yourself a list to take along so you don't forget.

 

You made your mistake & now you are dealing with it. You will get through this.

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A close family member stupidly committed and got caught for benefit fraud...subsequent court case was reported in the local rag,,and quite comprehensively too,,,name,amount,consequences etc.

I think it's pot luck if it's a slow 'news' day.

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A close family member stupidly committed and got caught for benefit fraud...subsequent court case was reported in the local rag,,and quite comprehensively too,,,name,amount,consequences etc.

I think it's pot luck if it's a slow 'news' day.

 

Yeah, that,s what I am expecting too. Did they get through it all ok and how are they now?

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Thanks for the information, yes first offence, never even had a parking ticket.

I wonder if I really would need a solicitor as I don't need anyone to defend me, I will just tell it how it is and take what comes.

I could pay it all back today but it wont stop anything so I should probably just donate it all to you good folks where at least some good will come from it.

 

A solicitor would help you to present your case at the IUC, giving you the best chance of avoiding court. Also, while repaying the money won't, in and of itself, guarantee that no further action will be taken, it certainly won't do any harm to your case.

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Thanks everyone for your time and advice I really do appreciate it, I don't have anyone else to talk to. I think I might just see what comes of it, I might stay strong and get through it and try get back my life (not that I really have one). I am comforted by the fact that I always have 'options' so I think that knowledge might possibly get me through this if I take it in small steps. Got a couple of weeks yet anyway.

 

I wanted to ask if anyone thought a letter from the doctor might be helpful? Maybe a brief summary of my condition etc? Would that be even slightly helpful do you think?

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I can offer some insight. A male relative was prosecuted by the DWP. He elected to go to trial in Crown Court. He was found guilty and ordered to prison for 12 months, 6 of which were to be suspended. The only time that his case hit the media was when he was convicted in court. It appeared in a couple of the nationals the following day, in all of the weekly locals and it even featured on the news both on the radio and the 6pm local TV news on the day he was convicted.

 

 

He told me that when he arrived in prison after being processed, he was well received by the other prisoners as though he was a national hero!!!

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I can offer some insight. A male relative was prosecuted by the DWP. He elected to go to trial in Crown Court. He was found guilty and ordered to prison for 12 months, 6 of which were to be suspended. The only time that his case hit the media was when he was convicted in court. It appeared in a couple of the nationals the following day, in all of the weekly locals and it even featured on the news both on the radio and the 6pm local TV news on the day he was convicted.

 

 

He told me that when he arrived in prison after being processed, he was well received by the other prisoners as though he was a national hero!!!

 

National papers AND the news? You probably don't want to give too much information I understand but what had he done to get that?

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National papers AND the news? You probably don't want to give too much information I understand but what had he done to get that?

 

National news has to be either high value or a very very unusual case.

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In his case he had to repay all the money (he had to do it all at once because he had the means to do so)..got fined £250 and got 240 community service hours and 6 months inside suspended for 2 years

He declared he was suffering depression (he wasn't),,that he had a gambling addiction (he hasn't) and he was grieving for our late parents (who had been gone 17 and 15 years0...and all other excuses he could think of except admitting the truth,,he carried on claiming HB & Ctax benefit in spite of a huge insurance payout for an accident at work. It took them 4 years to catch him.

Personally,,,in his case,,I'd have given him a lengthy custodial sentence,,got all the money back and any other harsh thing I could do to him.

His was just greed,,plain and simple greed..and Karma bit his backside.

He's convinced I 'dobbed' him in,,I didn't,but I'd shake the hand of the person that did lol

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In his case he had to repay all the money (he had to do it all at once because he had the means to do so)..got fined £250 and got 240 community service hours and 6 months inside suspended for 2 years

He declared he was suffering depression (he wasn't),,that he had a gambling addiction (he hasn't) and he was grieving for our late parents (who had been gone 17 and 15 years0...and all other excuses he could think of except admitting the truth,,he carried on claiming HB & Ctax benefit in spite of a huge insurance payout for an accident at work. It took them 4 years to catch him.

Personally,,,in his case,,I'd have given him a lengthy custodial sentence,,got all the money back and any other harsh thing I could do to him.

His was just greed,,plain and simple greed..and Karma bit his backside.

He's convinced I 'dobbed' him in,,I didn't,but I'd shake the hand of the person that did lol

 

Thank you for your reply, just out of curiosity what was the amount?

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