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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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In need of some advice with speeding offences please.

 

I recently received a NIP through the post from a fixed rear facing camera for 38mph in a 30 zone.

I am not disputing the NIP-

I know the road well and know the camera is there I must have had a lapse in concentration.

 

The problem is I am currently on 15 points having already successfully pleaded exceptional hardship to escape a totting ban once already.

 

09/2011 6 points sp30

02/2012 3 points sp50

01/2013 6 points sp30 (+ successfully pleaded exceptional hardship to avoid totting ban)

 

I can apply for the first 6 points to be removed this September,

but that still leaves me on 9 points even if I was lucky enough to get a hearing for this new NIP after then.

 

Obviously I will have to go back to court for this NIP and again plead exceptional hardship to avoid a ban.

Could anyone provide any advice?

 

The first time around I represented myself and had no help from a solicitor.

I used several reasons to plead exceptional hardship mainly the fact that I have to drive for work,

and would lose my job if I get a ban, with a letter from my employer to confirm.

 

Plus the fact my partner does not drive and relies on me to take her to work (20 miles away)

and would also lose her job if I was to get a ban.

 

So effectively making 2 people unemployed and probably forced to claim benefits while seeking new work.

 

At the end of the hearing, I was told that all the reasons I used will be recorded

and I will not be able to use the same reasons again in case of accumulating any more points in future.

 

Does this mean I cannot use the above reason again in my plea? As obviously it is still applicable and very important to my case.

 

I may have to involve a solicitor for advice but just wondering if anyone on here can help.

 

Thanks in advance

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I don't think getting a hearing after September helps avoid a ban as I think the "totting up" applies at teh time of the offence so the 15 points will still count.

 

I think you are into needing a solicitor terratory definately

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Points are counted for 3 years from date of offence to date of offence, so there's nothing to gain by stretching things out beyond September.

 

You're correct that when making an exceptional hardship case the court can't, or at least shouldn't, take into account any circumstances which you've already used to make an EH plea in the last 3 years. So while it's not impossible to make a second successful EH case, it's very difficult as it would require you to come up with a whole new set of reasons as to why a ban would cause exceptional hardship.

 

Have you done a speed awareness course in the last three years? And was this in an area where they're offered (ie not Scotland)?

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Points are counted for 3 years from date of offence to date of offence, so there's nothing to gain by stretching things out beyond September.

 

You're correct that when making an exceptional hardship case the court can't, or at least shouldn't, take into account any circumstances which you've already used to make an EH plea in the last 3 years. So while it's not impossible to make a second successful EH case, it's very difficult as it would require you to come up with a whole new set of reasons as to why a ban would cause exceptional hardship.

 

Have you done a speed awareness course in the last three years? And was this in an area where they're offered (ie not Scotland)?

 

I have done 1 speed awareness course. Just over 3 years ago.

I'm in an area where they're offered yes.

 

Does this mean I will definitely get offered one for this?

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Just checked the date of my last course and it was 1st June 2011. Damn!

 

I'm guessing it goes on date of the speeding offence which was in April this year.

 

What are my best options now?

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just checked the date of my last course and it was 1st june 2011. Damn!

 

I'm guessing it goes on date of the speeding offence which was in april this year.

 

What are my best options now?

 

stop speeding!

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I'm sorry but words fail me. I think that's the most helpful advise you can be given.

 

I posted a thread for advice to help with my current NIP. Not to listed to moral digs about speeding. You don't know me and you don't know the situation so if you don't have anything useful to add please don't bother commenting.

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I agree. Tbh three speeding convictions and a fourth on the way to be perfectly honest your taking piddle out of the system.

STOP SPEEDING before you KILL someone.

 

Yes I may seem horrible but I've worked in nhs on the front line dealing with the consequences of reckless speeding/drunk/drugged drivers.

 

Sorry but I think you will get banned this time round, besides my personal thoughts above I can not see any magistrate exercising discretion here again. I would expect them to be pretty peeved that you were given an extra chance above and beyond most and blew it :(

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With speed awareness courses the crucial thing is the dates of the offences they correspond to rather than the date of the course itself. Was the offence you did the 2011 course for more than 3 years before the latest offence? If so you should be eligible for one. If not you might still be lucky if the force has join the national scheme in the meantime as they'll be using a different database.

 

And without wanting to be sanctimonious be careful, as if you do get a course it really will be your very last chance for quite a while.

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I posted a thread for advice to help with my current NIP. Not to listed to moral digs about speeding. You don't know me and you don't know the situation so if you don't have anything useful to add please don't bother commenting.

 

You are correct in I have no idea who you are.

 

In regards to the situation, where do you want me to start?

 

You took a speed awareness course (so managed to stop 3 points added to your licence on a technically) YOU then managed to to accumulate an additional 15 points and you now come here asking for advise because you have received a NIP which would give you 3 more points.

 

DO YOU see the pattern? You should have 18 points already. I and only my opinon and not CAGS, hope they throw the book at you.

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I posted a thread for advice to help with my current NIP. Not to listed to moral digs about speeding. You don't know me and you don't know the situation so if you don't have anything useful to add please don't bother commenting.

 

Exceptional Hardship ??? Count yourself very lucky. In my occupation I would lose my livelihood by accruing just 6 points on my licence. No ifs or buts. That is hardship.

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You are correct in I have no idea who you are.

 

In regards to the situation, where do you want me to start?

 

You took a speed awareness course (so managed to stop 3 points added to your licence on a technically) YOU then managed to to accumulate an additional 15 points and you now come here asking for advise because you have received a NIP which would give you 3 more points.

 

DO YOU see the pattern? You should have 18 points already. I and only my opinon and not CAGS, hope they throw the book at you.

 

Yes I have come here asking for advice. That's what the forum is for. Not to judge people for what they might have done.

 

Like I said if you don't have anything useful to add then bore off. I haven't got any time for keyboard warriors.

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I think havinastella was just pointing out what any normal person would,you have been caught speeding several times and had a fair bit of leniency so far,how much do you think it will take you to get the message? You come along crying for leniency and you continue speeding on the road,as has been said you are probably going to kill someone,maybe yourself,any judge in his right mind would ban you for at least a year,I for one hope they do.

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Hope you get banned from driving for a lengthy period of time, not to mention having to take your theory test and extended driving test before being given a new license.

 

Why should I, and most other motorists abide by the law and speed limits when a select few people believe they can go out and drive how it suits them.

 

To have as many seeding convictions as yourself clearly shows you have no respect towards driving safely, and in accordance to the law.

 

Harsh it may be, but that's my opinion. I can't see any chance that you can avoid being banned this time around. Hopefully the ban from driving gives you a new outlook, and hopefully you'll appreciate having a driving license is earned and not a right.

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Without being prejudiced to the morals of speeding in any way and this is not meant in any judgmental manner either but

 

Stop speeding is the best advise someone can give you. Even if you do manage to get hardship again, that looks slim to none, the advise is sound as its the only way you would keep your license.

 

As 1 judge said to a friend of mine many years ago. "This is not Tesco Clubcard, Points do not equal Prizes"

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Yes I have come here asking for advice. That's what the forum is for. Not to judge people for what they might have done.

 

Like I said if you don't have anything useful to add then bore off. I haven't got any time for keyboard warriors.

 

As opposed to people who don't learn by the mistakes they make ?

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