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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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borntobongo you are soooo right about the dvla.i to have been issued a parking ticket whilst in a Made For Idiots car park,notice clearly stated 2 hours and only for customers use.however the second i stepped off their property to get to the cashpoint to then return to shop i was ticketed.oh well they can,t access dvla database thinks i,mmmmm how wrong i was and lo and behold a demand for £35 doubled to £70 if it,s not paid within 2 weeks.contacted dvla and was informed that any company or individual can on payment of £5 have my details on reasonable grounds ,what they can be who knows ,however the dvla have admitted that an overnight link that can be used ONLY BY local authorites was used to provide my details to the car park co and that they were sorry but hey they can still have your details using the above manner anyhow:o and suggest that any further problems to deal with the parking co directly.nice. still not paid the fine ,they can take a run and jump;) and the dvla have been told thanks for admitting a breach of the data protection act now you can sort it out and I will be informing the ICO

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contacted dvla and was informed that any company or individual can on payment of £5 have my details on reasonable grounds ,what they can be who knows.....

 

I fail to see how the DVLA could possibly consider recovery of a minor civil debt that isn't to do with the use of a motor vehicle on a public road, and that isn't even lawfully enforcible, as constituting "reasonable grounds" to have access to information.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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sorry to say but it is true ,and i quote"computer records held at dvla form a semi-public register open to enquiries from any organisation or person". she then states that information is released under specific legislation ,namely reg 27 (1) (a) of the road vehicles(registration & licensing) regs 2002 .further in the letter she states that a request was made for my details and were provided using the overnight link that should only be available to local authority or acting on the behalf of, my response being to which local authority does mfi belong to then.the reply i got was what you read in my last post.they could,t give a hoot if they have made a mistake or whether that it is wrong or right.they are making money from every application and the parking sharks are on a winner every time a ticket gets paid more often relying on people to pay up once the first demand drops on the mat, whether the ticket should have been given in the first place doesn,t come into it .we know that it is not enforcable but sadly many do not:(

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sorry to say but it is true ,and i quote"computer records held at dvla form a semi-public register open to enquiries from any organisation or person". she then states that information is released under specific legislation ,namely reg 27 (1) (a) of the road vehicles(registration & licensing) regs 2002 .further in the letter she states that a request was made for my details and were provided using the overnight link that should only be available to local authority or acting on the behalf of, my response being to which local authority does mfi belong to then.the reply i got was what you read in my last post.they could,t give a hoot if they have made a mistake or whether that it is wrong or right.they are making money from every application and the parking sharks are on a winner every time a ticket gets paid more often relying on people to pay up once the first demand drops on the mat, whether the ticket should have been given in the first place doesn,t come into it .we know that it is not enforcable but sadly many do not:(

 

Sec.27(1) reads - the relevent part being seb-sec "e";

 

The Secretary of State may make any particulars contained in the register available for use -

 

    (a) by a local authority for any purpose connected with the investigation of an offence or of a decriminalised parking contravention;


     
    (b) by a chief officer of police;
     
    © by a member of the Police Service of Northern Ireland;
     
    (d) by an officer of Customs and Excise in Northern Ireland; or
     
    (e) by any person who can show to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that he has reasonable cause for wanting the particulars to be made available to him.


As I have said previously, I cannot believe that anyone could consider that the pursuance of a debt that is not even enforcible at law could possibly constitute "reasonanable cause" for making such particulars available. Indeed, it is anything but reasonable!

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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I TOTALLY agree Phantom,

I would love to see it challenged as a test case in a court of law, DVLA could be liable for a hell of a lot of breaches under the Data protection act ;-)

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Reasonable cause? For what? The only thing they stand to gain here is profit. You haven't damaged or stolen anything, your car just happened to be in a place it shouldn't have been. No harm was done to anything or anybody. To my mind there is nothing there which warrants your personal details being issued to a private company.

 

The other thing is where is there a law which allows private companies to fine you or even decide for themselves whether it is the owner or the driver who is liable? Police and councils have to follow correct procedures, e.g. correctly worded documents and correctly painted lines and signage for example, which themselves have to be done to a set standard by law.

 

What, then, permits private companies to invent their own system? Are we saying that they are outside the constraints of the law/legal system? Driver, owner or whatever, it is my opnion that they have no legal right to impose their fine/penalty charge (or whatever you want to call it) upon you anyway.

 

Just ask them what their legal right is to fine you and to quote the law exactly, they won't be able to.

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What, then, permits private companies to invent their own system? Are we saying that they are outside the constraints of the law/legal system? Driver, owner or whatever, it is my opnion that they have no legal right to impose their fine/penalty charge (or whatever you want to call it) upon you anyway.

 

You are quite right, a private person cannot levy a "fine" or penalty on anyone. A landowner, however, can establish whatever contractual regeime he likes in relation to the use of his land, as long as it's not actually illegal.

 

By using his land you are entering into a contract with him and you don't have to accept that contract if you don't like it's provisions. Breaching the terms of the contract though dosen't give him the right to fine or otherwise penalise you but he is entitled to sue you for whatever your breach has cost him.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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You are quite right, a private person cannot levy a "fine" or penalty on anyone. A landowner, however, can establish whatever contractual regeime he likes in relation to the use of his land, as long as it's not actually illegal.

 

By using his land you are entering into a contract with him and you don't have to accept that contract if you don't like it's provisions. Breaching the terms of the contract though dosen't give him the right to fine or otherwise penalise you but he is entitled to sue you for whatever your breach has cost him.

 

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That well clarified thanks, but that's my point too - what has the breach of the landowner's terms & conditions actually cost him? Absolutely nothing.

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it is totally wrong .perhaps we should all remove are reg plates on a day as a protest against them and all the other money making methods :p

 

I thought this was quite amusing actually; a friend of mine knew someone a few years ago who was clamped at the back of Iceland (on their car park). He got the clamp removed but still got a bill for £90. He sent them a letter stating that admission to his property would cost exactly the same as they were charging him. A few weeks later they pushed a promo leaflet through his door. He sent them a bill for £90 for "the use of his garden path and letterbox". Having explained to them that it was a legal charge as they had been pre-warned he told them to go ahead with their claim against him in court and he would counterclaim. Needless to say he never heard another word. :p

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That well clarified thanks, but that's my point too - what has the breach of the landowner's terms & conditions actually cost him? Absolutely nothing.

 

Ah but he has. If you, say, pay for an hour and overstay then the car park operator has a legitimate claim that he has suffered a loss of revenue for the period in which you were using his services for free.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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I thought this was quite amusing actually; a friend of mine knew someone a few years ago who was clamped at the back of Iceland (on their car park). He got the clamp removed but still got a bill for £90. He sent them a letter stating that admission to his property would cost exactly the same as they were charging him. A few weeks later they pushed a promo leaflet through his door. He sent them a bill for £90 for "the use of his garden path and letterbox". Having explained to them that it was a legal charge as they had been pre-warned he told them to go ahead with their claim against him in court and he would counterclaim. Needless to say he never heard another word. :p

 

This is quite good actually. His £90 clamp is not enforcible as it's an unlawfull penalty, yet the charge he levies on them probably is enforcible as it's a charge for their use of his property.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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Ah but he has. If you, say, pay for an hour and overstay then the car park operator has a legitimate claim that he has suffered a loss of revenue for the period in which you were using his services for free.

 

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So if he charges 60p per hour and you overstayed by 10 mins why not send him 10p? Thats all he has lost, any other cost on top of that would be disproportionate ;-)

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all it comes down to is there word against your own and in my case my details were released on the say so of the company managing the car park but clearly not adhering to their own set rules displayed in the car park.i have contacted the company 3 times yet the collection agency tell me that i have made no contact with them.dvla have got a lot to answer for

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Heres one for you boys to laugh about.

 

My daughter is 19 and disabled she as a car from mobility and shows her parking cards wherever she parks.

Now the trouble is her boyfriend is 6 foot 6 and her car is a little citreon so after picking him off a night shift she went to Asda who's car parking system is taken care of by the council.

Well she parked in a disabled bay as normal put her card in the window and went shopping for a few things.

But himself (lofty Bugger) fell asleep and moved around whilst snoring and moving he knocked the card on to the floor. Quess what a £30 pound ticket, when the warden was putting the ticket on the car lofty legs said here is her cards and explained what had happened and the jobsworth still stuck the ticket on.

 

Quess who's paying the ticket? your right ( Lofty Legs ) or he walks home after nights. hahaha:D

 

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So if he charges 60p per hour and you overstayed by 10 mins why not send him 10p? Thats all he has lost, any other cost on top of that would be disproportionate ;-)

Sorry, just playing Devils advocate :-D

 

Your dead right. His claim on you would be for the amount he's lost. In this case, 10p.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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Your dead right. His claim on you would be for the amount he's lost. In this case, 10p.

 

Plus the cost of either sending you a letter or employing a car park attendant to register your details and affix a request for payment.

 

Probably better send a pound just to make sure... :D

Lloyds TSB, Total Charges £900, Claim Filed for £1379 - Settled

 

Sainsbury's Bank Credit Card, Total Charges £90 - Settled.

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Plus the cost of either sending you a letter or employing a car park attendant to register your details and affix a request for payment.

 

Probably better send a pound just to make sure... :D

 

 

Maybe the cost of sending you a letter but as for the parking attendant, if he employs one, then he is liable to pay his wages not the person parking ;-) Oh, and the fee for requesting your details from DVLA? no-one asked him to do that either so he should have to bear that cost too lol

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The one thing that annoys me about this whole issue is that councils CAN charge us £30 or whatever if we are a couple of minutes late back to our cars.

 

While nobody can condone what these private firms are doing, which is trying to con people into having to pay a "fine" which doesn't legally exist, the very people who are supposed to protect us from scams like this i.e. the government/council are themselves responsible for it's existance in the first place. Nobody rips us off more than our own government.

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Just got back from my hols to find, amongst the welter of junk mail, 3 missives regarding my case.

 

Although the parking company have been told to get off my case or they will be regarded as harrassing me they have sent another letter telling me to cough up by 12 December or go to court. Looks like I'll be taking them to court for harrassment then!

 

The second letter was from the DVLA, following my initial complaint. I got the standard waffle about reasonable cause that everyone else gets. That's OK. I was expecting that. It was just the initial stage one has to go through before stage 2, which is to complain to the Parliamentary Ombudsman.

 

They sent me a photocopy of the letter the company had sent them, which was more interesting. It covered a request sheet and there is no copy of this, presumably because the "client" has greater rights to Data Protection than me. The letter does not give a reason for making the request. Who knows what the request sheet says.

 

I have learned some valuable backup information from this though. They talk about "clients" in the plural so imply they have contracts with each individual trader on the estate where they operate. However, not all traders have their signs up so they would have to prove my car was parked in a space where they have a sign. The other interesting thing is they waited 9 days to write to DVLA for this information. Was this to accumulate a whole list of victims and put all their registrations on one request sheet? Would that explain the multiple clients?

 

Third letter was from my MP. He had passed my issue on to the DoT and sent me a copy of the reply from them. It is the same standard waffle that the DVLA gave me, but he has asked me to contact him if he can be of any further service. I've got much more information about the whole thing than when I first wrote to him, so I will be writing again.

 

I'll post again when I know more but if anyone knows what one of these request sheets looks like please post a picture.

 

B2B

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hi an update again..very interesting reading above though! they have sent a final letter from commercial collection servies saying that if i dont pay £40 within 48hrs will be added and a county court thingybob will be issued...what shall i do??? I realise its good to fight but i have very little money and i dont want the costs to rise and rise...thnx

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Popsy

 

I know that its a worry that things will get out of hand but its like the bank charges you have got to hold your nerve.

 

write something like

 

Dear xxxxxxx

 

For the avoidance of any doubt,

 

I will not be paying the charge you have imposed and I look forward to dealing with the matter in a count court.

 

I will not reply to any further correspondance from you

 

yours

 

popsy

 

EDIT

7 actions in progress

 

amount refunded so far £6500

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hi an update again..very interesting reading above though! they have sent a final letter from commercial collection servies saying that if i dont pay £40 within 48hrs will be added and a county court thingybob will be issued...what shall i do??? I realise its good to fight but i have very little money and i dont want the costs to rise and rise...thnx

 

They aren't going to go to Court because their charge is unenforcible. Making a threat of legal action when legal action clearly won't follow is actually a specific offence of harassement. You could point that out to the debt collection company.

 

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Northern Rock; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered. Recieved details of 6 yrs charges on 8th. Wrote back asking whether or not they hold information going back further than that.

MBNA; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06

Barclays; S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request sent 11/8/06 - Del 14/8/06

Diners Club; S.A.R sent 11/8/06 - Delivered 14/8/06. Recieved form to fill and return with fee on 17/8/06. Sent form back, delivered 4/9/06.

Intelligent Finance; Prelim letter emailed 16/08/06, claiming £318. Email recieved from "Anne-Marie" 17/8/06 saying my email has been passed to Customer Relations dept. Fob-off letter received 23/8/06, letter sent in return same day - Delivered 24/8/6 Recieved letter offer 25% settelement - refused - LBA sent. MCOL on 10th revcieved notification that they intend to defend on 13th. 06/9/2006 WON!!!!!!

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